Toyota T100 WP needs to be banned from Ranked

It kills the all diversity. Before that S1 CC used to have some diversity. Meta was always a thing but not like this. T100 WP just has everything you want from CC vehicle. It has enormous grip, It has perfect Suspension compressability, It has perfect straight line speed. Its literally a car with no weaknesses what so ever.

Oh and the funny thing is, T100 WP has more grip then regular T100 because… Well magic I guess. Its the same car, weights same, has same tyre thickness but gets more grip. The Grip difference is so damn big, T100 WP even beats Funco F9 in terms of grip. An offroad buggy with impressive thick rear tyres and weights practically nothing compared to T100 WP yet Funco F9 still has worse grip. Magic I guess.

Point is T100 WP is overpowered in the current meta, and its unrealistic as hell too. It needs to be banned from Ranked or better yet just remove the car from the game.

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While I tend to agree almost entirely, I would have to say that the standard Toyota Baja was pretty much already suffocating out much of S1 XC’s online ‘diversity,’ with few exceptions (Jeep Trailcat as a close second/partner in crime). I’m not saying there weren’t other effective selections, rather it was already grossly over-respresented in what players chose to roll with should they face the dreaded off-roads (:scream::tired_face:*“Aaaaaaaaaaaugh!”*). The Welcome Pack just further exacerbated the meta misery…but that does not take away from your accurate assessment and criticism.

That said, I contine to disagree with your suggestions to remove this or that from the game. And let’s be honest, we all know removal won’t happen; the best we can hope for is a nerf, possibly a ban but I doubt that’ll happen. While the BS ban IS supporting precedent, the WP was released post-BS/TT and it’s availability was made with past controversy hindsight and PI adjustments approved with intent and a specific target audience. My guess is that the WP Baja is functioning in-game exactly as designed/intended. Unfortunately.

And a hypothetical - let’s pretend for a moment the WP Toyota Baja wasn’t a duplicate Toyota at at all, rather it was an entirely different vehicle altogether? Same stats, same PI, same performance, yadda yadda yadda, but just with a new, unfamiliar shell ontop of the wheels, for example, a new exclusive Chevrolet Silverado 1500 trophy truck or a resurrected Hoonigan Baldwin K5 Blazer (with adjusted but comparable numbers, etc)… I wonder if the overall player dissatisfaction and griping would be the same or would the ‘new’ vehicle with twin stats and potential be more easily absorbed into the playerbase body and be perceived as a ‘powerful new’ thing rather than ‘overpowered familiar’ thing we detest? I imagine the performance therof alone might still draw some healthy criticism, but I suspect vehicle uniqueness could produce enough player acceptance to make the hypothetical twin more a of non-issue than what we playefs view the real thing as today. Not trying to make a point here, just a thought exercise.

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Regular Toyota T100 wasnt really suffocating the S1 CC. People tended to use Ram rebel Trx or Trailcat more often as T100 lacked grip compared to them. Also Ranger raptor was also a viable option. Lamborghini Urus and some other Suvs are also does good lap times but they werent reliable due to their suspensions. Those cars had some disadvantages over the others while T100 WP simple deleted those disadvantages. And for the lap time comparision, T100 WP is currently dominating in every single aspect.

I dont expect a removal but ban could happen if players complain about it enough just like they did with BS and Tracktor. Dont get me wrong there tho Im okay with an “Easier” Baja for newer players but not like this.

For your last pragraph I can say BS and Tracktor were new stuff yet that didnt players to stop complaining about them. If they add a broken Silverado to the game, I will happily complain about it.

I stopped playing cc because of this

Same.

Yep it is ridiculous for ranked in both Dirt and CC.

Just joined FFA not long ago to see if it still had morons in it.

Sure enough it did, person who won though didn’t need to be an idiot as they were in the T100 WP, i was in the TZ and i was running 2nd in last race overall.

Got bumped down to 4th overall and lost points due to the idiot i was overtaking, who deliberately (no accidental nudging with this one) rammed me off the road into a tree.

It is because of that type of player that i generally don’t do FFA or TA. Those type of players infuriate the hell of out me.

But i digress, the T100 WP should not have been tinkered with to allow it to perform better than the other T100, lets face it, they didn’t do that to the rest of the cars in the WP did they…

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Yeah, it’s too overpowered and ruins both S1 cross country and dirt for me. Should definitely be banned from ranked and rivals but obviously won’t be as it is paid content. Making it OP was a very cynical ploy to increase sales of the WP.

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Share the same, up to me, most buyers of WP do buy it for the baja. It’s a pay to win car boxed/disguised within a car pack. I am sure they feel very clever about it.

On many tracks this car is several seconds a lap ahead from others with a lot of reliability ( hardly rolling or having hard landing compared to others ). First race I did with it was the town CC race, I did beat my rivals time by 2 seconds just normal racing. Any race you join, having some challengers using it is even worse than facing boneshaker. Definetely needs to be ban from online.

Nevertheless I am totally and strongly against people blaming other players for using top cars whatever the context. There are no unwritten rule and noone should consider himself Police of cars to be used or not.
Most of time, I take on me the challenge to exclude some cars and yes, facing a roadster or AP or baja WP etc is frequently associated to loosing and so what ? I joined a championship, I could have taken a top car, I did not, it’s my choice not theirs, period.
I did also understand some experimented players are not using OP cars not because they challenge themselves not using those but because they consider the risk of loosing with it compared to loosing with a non OP car … fear of the loss using OP → not using OP → loosing against OP → raging against people using OP …

That said, if I had to choose between banning some cars from online and ghosting any car contact lasting more than 1 second …

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Heh, a Toyota that you can’t get in game with credits goes meta, Standard P2W thing, Well at least Bone Shaker was obtainable in the auction house and was beatable, sometimes.

TalhalaTWO:
• I am primarily off-road/XC-oriented, and from my exprience I can easily recall seeing the standard T’s outnumber the rest in S1. I already said the Trailcat was popular as were others like the Ram that could also be effective. But the T had wider use and greater appeal not only because it was so easy to handle (despite the grip concerns you mentioned), but because of the extra ‘fun’ factor…the thing is just fun to drive and screw around in. Even brand new, right out of the box, it’s ready to go with that cloud 9-like suspension taking much of the ‘bite’ out of going off-road/cross country, which we all know many continue to bellyache about. It didn’t need an extraordinary amount of tuning to be able to do well. And all of that is precisely the point; it was already so easy to use and popular that an Easy Bake version was entirely unnecessary.

• I remain dubious that we’ll see a ban like what BS and TT got. First of all, it’s getting fairly late in the game. While more than a year into H4’s life, the BS/TT event was still before halftime; right now/today we’re probably just starting the 4th quarter, so rule changes per play seem unlikely at this point. But second of all (and probably the real reason we aren’t likely to see any action on this), just like the Atomic Punk, Ford Roadster, Shelby Monaco, and Peel Trident, …the WP Toyota is DLC. HW Boneshaker and TG Track-tor? Not DLC. For PG (and by extension, Microsoft) to gimp, nerf, or in any way restrict the in-game use of DLC that they’re actively trying to sell defies all logic. Toyota T100WP will never be placed on the No-no List.

• And as stated, the last bit was a hypothetical, more musing than assertion. Last night I thought about this again for a minute, and right away the Roadster and Track-tor both came to mind, too, but they saw different fates, didn’t they? (see above) “Unique” was a poor choice of word, I should have been clearer with where I was coming from…“desirable” is more accurate for the hypothetical. So, if a WP DLC twin wasn’t a total twin, but something relatively comparable cosmetically and already largely desirable among the playerbase such as the Chevy Silvrado 1500, I suspect there would be considerably less pushback. Something desirable and appropriate would quell a sizable chunk of complaints. Even with stunts and drifting, the Track-tor would’ve been a problem any way you cut it as running around in Frankenstein’s farm equipment is so far removed from what we’re trying to do here in an racing game, I don’t care what TV show it was on. Still a ridiculous call. But that notwithstanding, nobody ever said “Dang, bruh, I would totally just die if they add that Track-tor featured on some show to the next Horizon!” and I may be wrong but I can’t imagine the AP or Roadster ever had more than a handful of car wish list requests from a few super enthusiasts. Nobody was burning for those things; they’re weird and off-the-wall. But release an OP pack of highly-requested cars like that Silverado, the Delorean, etc., the Sexy OP Car Pack? You’d barely hear a peep over all the “They brought the Delorean back and it’s AWESOME!!! :two_hearts::revolving_hearts:” But yes, I believe you 100% when you say you would still complain.

Rex
• I hate those players, too. In H3, if I got shoved into a tree or forced into missing a checkpoint nine times out of ten it was done by someone in a Subaru #75 or #199 WRX STI, without fail. Here, they tend to favor such attempts in the bigger, more obnoxious stuff. I get really annoyed when someone brings the Ram into B700 dirt, which should be the Land of the Little cars. Fulvias, Giulias, Beetles, should not have to contend with Ram trucks, or any other oversized behemoths.

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and hideous…
:smiley:

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You guys keep forgetting about the RAM Rebel TRX. I eat Toyota’s for breakfast with that thing in CC S1. The only time I get beaten is when the player is a better level then me, below 5 and even then, it’s close) Also, Toyotas have zero chance in other events, on Dirt they don’t even come close to the real good Dirt ones. (in A, no chance against the ford roadster and in S1, there are too many, like the Alfa 33s)

Had a race once where I was the first in the TRX followed by 7-8 Toyotas. Good times.

Trx is (or was) a good vehicle for S1 CC but it has some problems that T100 wp hasnt. Trx suspension compresablity isnt as good as T100 WP and Trx has tendency to tip off easier then T100 WP. Also Trx has pathetic top speed and has no chance in freeroam rushes against T100 WP. If you are beating T100 WP players with Trx it means you are much better driver then them or their tuning are truly awful.

Btw T100 WP isnt OP at s1 dirt but its definetely viable especially for freeroam rushes. People on here complain about its CC performance not dirt anyway.

I don’t think anyone is forgetting about the TRX. It just isn’t anywhere near as good as the Baja WP. The WP holds nearly all the rivals S1 cross country world records (bar a couple which aren’t really proper cross country events like North City) and quite a few of the S1 dirt records as well (check out Glen Rannoch for example where the WR is over 3 seconds quicker than the best non Baja time). I don’t think that there is a top 10 rivals time in a TRX at all.

If you are regularly beating Bajas in the TRX, then it’s because you are a much better driver than your opposition or they have bad tunes. The TRX cannot compete with the Baja on equal terms.

The reality is that the Baja WP is always going to be the best choice for ranked S1 cross country and will usually be the best choice for S1 dirt, particularly taking into account the two Freeroams.

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