This is how to kill a francize

[GoofyPanda76]

Anyone who have played Forza games back when those were awesome and epic games, will know what i’m talking about here. Back when you booted a Forza title up to play and played with joy and pride, not just for the game, but over owning a xbox, because you palyed a racing game, that was so much better than Gran Turismo, but poly killed their won game long ago.

Remember when you…

… had a storefront, where you have x amount of slots to your tunes, paintjobs and so on, and you could set a price on your work?

… when you searching for a paintjob, you could see the paintjob on the car and turn it, to get abetter look at the paintjob. If you wanted it, you buy it or you could get in contact with the creater and ask for at price for unlocked?

… could sort the tunes, paintjobs when you were searching for a tune or paintjob, you could sort them after, most downloaded, new or high rated?

**

All those things, that really made Forza a name, has been removed from the game, and the only why you have a chance for downloads of you work is, if you are a Youtuber or a streamer with a fanbase. The chance of your tune or paintjob is getting seen, is very small when many other players just spam paintjobs. Who can blame them, the developer have removed the spamfilter that was the x amount of slots. Back when you had a storefront, you have to choose what you put there, now the creater get money, just someone downloaded the paintjob or tune.

And to really kill a game, is what happen to Forza Horizon 5 yeasterday, they removed yet another fun part of the game. The grind for skillpoints and turning them into wheelspins, were a fun way to make money or the chance to get some cool cars, now that sooo many cars is not in the autoshow anymore. That part is over, the developer has removed wheelspins from those cars that were used for it, anything that is fun is slowly removed from the game over time.

The only thing that is left is the endless grind for wheelspins through leveling up. Maybe that is not all bad in a strange way, now we have to play the game. But where is the fun, there is no reward for wining the race, there are no race series or championship to take part in, to win something. Race - win - of to the next - and do it again.

Forza Horizon 5 was uninspiring to begin with, and got very boring quickly, so skillpoint grind was a fun way to make money and get cars, and collecting cars is the main focus of a Forza game, and now that is almost removed too.

That is why i think, Turn10 and Playground Games, just have killed a Forza francize, unless they shift the focus away from car collecting and more about gameplay and the joy you should feel for playing. Now you win races to collect cars, insted of wanting to race, not just to collect cars, but for the joy of racing.

Forza Horizon 5, as we know it, died Tuesday 1 February 2022

[SanderH89]

I agree… I like to grind sp and turn them into wheelspins. Nothing else to do anymore in this game, i personally hate multiplayer events, so i don’t play those. Now they even gonna take away pr stunts in weekly playlists. This leaves me with virtually nothing left to do. I think i’ll uninstall and never look back, shame on you devs, for ruining what could have been a great game. One i very much looked forward to, but left me bitterly disappointed.

[GoofyPanda76]

@SanderH89

I agree… I like to grind sp and turn them into wheelspins. Nothing else to do anymore in this game, i personally hate multiplayer events, so i don’t play those. Now they even gonna take away pr stunts in weekly playlists. This leaves me with virtually nothing left to do. I think i’ll uninstall and never look back, shame on you devs, for ruining what could have been a great game. One i very much looked forward to, but left me bitterly disappointed.

Exactly, it’s like they’re trying to remove everything that makes the game good and that makes people play the game. You spend almost more time waiting to race than you spend racing. There is no point in dressing up the player character any more, you hardly see it anyway, when you are winning races.

[ArcticInsanity]

@SanderH89

I agree… I like to grind sp and turn them into wheelspins. Nothing else to do anymore in this game, i personally hate multiplayer events, so i don’t play those. Now they even gonna take away pr stunts in weekly playlists. This leaves me with virtually nothing left to do. I think i’ll uninstall and never look back, shame on you devs, for ruining what could have been a great game. One i very much looked forward to, but left me bitterly disappointed.

Seasonal championships are there. Don’t say you play racing game but you don’t like to race.

[Ti_Hsien]

Never cared about the Storefront. I do miss not having to worry about zealous censorship, however.

As far as the Wheelspins being removed from skill trees… I suspect player feedback is involved there. There were a number of people calling buying cars from the Autoshow and spending skill points to unlock perk rewards an “exploit” whether or not it was used in conjunction with driver assists that were also arguably working as intended if not necessarily for whom they were intended.

[AquaPainter168]

@Ti_Hsien

Never cared about the Storefront. I do miss not having to worry about zealous censorship, however.

As far as the Wheelspins being removed from skill trees… I suspect player feedback is involved there. There were a number of people calling buying cars from the Autoshow and spending skill points to unlock perk rewards an “exploit” whether or not it was used in conjunction with driver assists that were also arguably working as intended if not necessarily for whom they were intended.

There were people that called Willy’s Jeep an exploit, and then mentioned another car. Why do the dev’s pick up on single posts to our advantage, but ignore 1000 posts about bugs?

[Ti_Hsien]

@AquaPainter168

There were people that called Willy’s Jeep an exploit, and then mentioned another car. Why do the dev’s pick up on single posts to our advantage, but ignore 1000 posts about bugs?

The recent list of fixes looked like it included a fair number of alleged bug and performance fixes. That seems to indicate that despite the fact they haven’t waved the magic wand they totally have access to which will fix All Of The Things, they’re not just ignoring the problems.

[DrizKillz]

@Ti_Hsien

The recent list of fixes looked like it included a fair number of alleged bug and performance fixes. That seems to indicate that despite the fact they haven’t waved the magic wand they totally have access to which will fix All Of The Things, they’re not just ignoring the problems.

that patch, while wildly incomplete, does not make up for the fact that the game has been out this long without it And there are already new bugs that have replaced what was fixed. I agree that people earning money through purchasing cars should be fine, since there are those that make loads off of stupid events that make you go a quarter mile in less than 10 minutes in a supercar. If they can allow that hot garbage in super7, then who cares if someone else takes a gamble on a car/wheelspin? That’s their idea of community fun! I should make a handicapped parking challenge and reap the rewards but I’d probably get banned even though I’m disabled. I’m new to this game and it’s really bad going in, I can’t imagine long term fans right now.

The fact is, IMO, it’s poorly executed and the management is even worse. I’m too scared to make a vinyl because you can get banned for things not explained clearly. Cheating is rampant. Leaderboards are pointless, online racing is a ram-fest. It’s an alpha, at best.

[RED_RIDER_NL]

@DrizKillz

I’m too scared to make a vinyl because you can get banned for things not explained clearly.

I stopped putting liveries on my car just in case. The last thing I need is to get banned from playing a game I paid over $100 for.

[PinkiePie4997]

@RED_RIDER_NL

@DrizKillz

I’m too scared to make a vinyl because you can get banned for things not explained clearly.

I stopped putting liveries on my car just in case. The last thing I need is to get banned from playing a game I paid over $100 for.

Was reading this in last days and it sounds plausible

@WindsweptDragon

Dont take this as a definite response, cause it all comes down to who checks the livery if its reported, Those initials on their own can mean a few things and can get you banned however if they were part of a more complex overall design and it was obvious you werent referring to those uses of the initials but the letters obviously referred to file transfer protocol then I think youd be fine. For example you could probably be fine if you decided to drive about with a car that had idiot written on it however if you were driving a car that had the developers are idiots it would be a different story. Context plays a role in the decision

But no idea what users put on their cars and not using liveries “just in case” is wrong way too

[RED_RIDER_NL]

@PinkiePie4997

But no idea what users put on their cars and not using liveries “just in case” is wrong way too

Of course it is.

They need to take responsibility by monitoring uploaded liveries and removing ones that aren’t allowed. If one slips through the cracks they need to simply remove it and discipline or warn the creator instead of the people who used it. If it’s promoted and able to be applied in game, people shouldn’t be punished for doing so. Until that changes, my cars get a colour change at most.

[AquaPainter168]

@Ti_Hsien

@AquaPainter168

There were people that called Willy’s Jeep an exploit, and then mentioned another car. Why do the dev’s pick up on single posts to our advantage, but ignore 1000 posts about bugs?

The recent list of fixes looked like it included a fair number of alleged bug and performance fixes. That seems to indicate that despite the fact they haven’t waved the magic wand they totally have access to which will fix All Of The Things, they’re not just ignoring the problems.

Those fixes were bugs not mentioned on this site however apart from about 4 of them.

[MonaroNZ]

@AquaPainter168

@Ti_Hsien

Never cared about the Storefront. I do miss not having to worry about zealous censorship, however.

As far as the Wheelspins being removed from skill trees… I suspect player feedback is involved there. There were a number of people calling buying cars from the Autoshow and spending skill points to unlock perk rewards an “exploit” whether or not it was used in conjunction with driver assists that were also arguably working as intended if not necessarily for whom they were intended.

There were people that called Willy’s Jeep an exploit, and then mentioned another car. Why do the dev’s pick up on single posts to our advantage, but ignore 1000 posts about bugs?

Hang on… you were one of them, Aqua. You argued vehemently that the Goliath AFK and any “exploits” like it and the Willys - regardless of them being use of a built-in feature - ruined the game and the game economy, and things needed to be “earned”. Even if it meant disabled people whom these features were designed for had to miss out, or figure out their own way to play.

You called the Willys specifically “a bunch of cheats we don’t want”. The devs did exactly what you wanted and argued for across multiple posts, so you should be pretty stoked you got your way, Aqua.

It wasn’t “some people” Aqua, or the devs picking up “one post”. It was you. You arguing consistently for any and all “advantages” be removed, that you’re now inexplicably wondering why.

[AquaPainter168]

@MonaroNZ

@AquaPainter168

@Ti_Hsien

Never cared about the Storefront. I do miss not having to worry about zealous censorship, however.

As far as the Wheelspins being removed from skill trees… I suspect player feedback is involved there. There were a number of people calling buying cars from the Autoshow and spending skill points to unlock perk rewards an “exploit” whether or not it was used in conjunction with driver assists that were also arguably working as intended if not necessarily for whom they were intended.

There were people that called Willy’s Jeep an exploit, and then mentioned another car. Why do the dev’s pick up on single posts to our advantage, but ignore 1000 posts about bugs?

Hang on… you were one of them, Aqua. You argued vehemently that the Goliath AFK and any “exploits” like it and the Willys - regardless of them being use of a built-in feature - ruined the game and the game economy, and things needed to be “earned”. Even if it meant disabled people whom these features were designed for had to miss out, or figure out their own way to play.

You called the Willys specifically “a bunch of cheats we don’t want”. The devs did exactly what you wanted and argued for across multiple posts, so you should be pretty stoked you got your way, Aqua.

It wasn’t “some people” Aqua, or the devs picking up “one post”. It was you. You arguing consistently for any and all “advantages” be removed, that you’re now inexplicably wondering why.

Willy’s Jeep was already taken out, this wheelspin thing is something unrelated to what I said. I want Rewinds taken out too… so let’s see if they are going to actually follow the words of my post? Or are you just adding random things to my words? I never mentioned other wheelspins at all.

OK Dev’s if I am responsible for this I want Rewinds removing too. I want Wheelspins putting back the way they were. Willy Jeep cheat can stay out. Let’s just stick with the actual things that I said.

[MonaroNZ]

@AquaPainter168

@MonaroNZ

@AquaPainter168

@Ti_Hsien

Never cared about the Storefront. I do miss not having to worry about zealous censorship, however.

As far as the Wheelspins being removed from skill trees… I suspect player feedback is involved there. There were a number of people calling buying cars from the Autoshow and spending skill points to unlock perk rewards an “exploit” whether or not it was used in conjunction with driver assists that were also arguably working as intended if not necessarily for whom they were intended.

There were people that called Willy’s Jeep an exploit, and then mentioned another car. Why do the dev’s pick up on single posts to our advantage, but ignore 1000 posts about bugs?

Hang on… you were one of them, Aqua. You argued vehemently that the Goliath AFK and any “exploits” like it and the Willys - regardless of them being use of a built-in feature - ruined the game and the game economy, and things needed to be “earned”. Even if it meant disabled people whom these features were designed for had to miss out, or figure out their own way to play.

You called the Willys specifically “a bunch of cheats we don’t want”. The devs did exactly what you wanted and argued for across multiple posts, so you should be pretty stoked you got your way, Aqua.

It wasn’t “some people” Aqua, or the devs picking up “one post”. It was you. You arguing consistently for any and all “advantages” be removed, that you’re now inexplicably wondering why.

Willy’s Jeep was already taken out, this wheelspin thing is something unrelated to what I said. I want Rewinds taken out too… so let’s see if they are going to actually follow the words of my post? Or are you just adding random things to my words? I never mentioned other wheelspins at all.

OK Dev’s if I am responsible for this I want Rewinds removing too. I want Wheelspins putting back the way they were. Willy Jeep cheat can stay out. Let’s just stick with the actual things that I said.

Look I don’t really care what they do with the game any more as I’m disengaged from it. I just saw the unbelievable hypocrisy in your Willys comment and felt the need to call it out, as gaslighting isn’t constructive to the discourse of the game.

[AquaPainter168]

@MonaroNZ

@AquaPainter168

@MonaroNZ

@AquaPainter168

@Ti_Hsien

Never cared about the Storefront. I do miss not having to worry about zealous censorship, however.

As far as the Wheelspins being removed from skill trees… I suspect player feedback is involved there. There were a number of people calling buying cars from the Autoshow and spending skill points to unlock perk rewards an “exploit” whether or not it was used in conjunction with driver assists that were also arguably working as intended if not necessarily for whom they were intended.

There were people that called Willy’s Jeep an exploit, and then mentioned another car. Why do the dev’s pick up on single posts to our advantage, but ignore 1000 posts about bugs?

Hang on… you were one of them, Aqua. You argued vehemently that the Goliath AFK and any “exploits” like it and the Willys - regardless of them being use of a built-in feature - ruined the game and the game economy, and things needed to be “earned”. Even if it meant disabled people whom these features were designed for had to miss out, or figure out their own way to play.

You called the Willys specifically “a bunch of cheats we don’t want”. The devs did exactly what you wanted and argued for across multiple posts, so you should be pretty stoked you got your way, Aqua.

It wasn’t “some people” Aqua, or the devs picking up “one post”. It was you. You arguing consistently for any and all “advantages” be removed, that you’re now inexplicably wondering why.

Willy’s Jeep was already taken out, this wheelspin thing is something unrelated to what I said. I want Rewinds taken out too… so let’s see if they are going to actually follow the words of my post? Or are you just adding random things to my words? I never mentioned other wheelspins at all.

OK Dev’s if I am responsible for this I want Rewinds removing too. I want Wheelspins putting back the way they were. Willy Jeep cheat can stay out. Let’s just stick with the actual things that I said.

Look I don’t really care what they do with the game any more as I’m disengaged from it. I just saw the unbelievable hypocrisy in your Willys comment and felt the need to call it out, as gaslighting isn’t constructive to the discourse of the game.

You didn’t call me out on anything, you made out like it was my idea to remove the Jeep, but my comment was made after it was already removed. Removing the Jeep Super wheelspin was a good thing. How it came to removing lots of other wheelspins is not hypocrisy as they are two different things.

[MonaroNZ]

@AquaPainter168

You didn’t call me out on anything, you made out like it was my idea to remove the Jeep, but my comment was made after it was already removed. Removing the Jeep Super wheelspin was a good thing. How it came to removing lots of other wheelspins is not hypocrisy as they are two different things.

No, your comment I called you out for in this thread is you lamenting the removal of the Willy’s jeep specifically, and player advantages in general, despite your support for removing both in previous threads. Until I called you out, your comment stood alone as you wondering why “other” people called for these removals without you disclosing your own participation in those same complaints. It was a hypocritical and dishonest comment, as it obfuscated your own participation in calls for removing it at the time.

You were the one that raised the subject of the Willys. You were the one implying it was other people and not you complaining about the Willys. End of story.

[MonaroNZ]

@AquaPainter168

I didn’t raise the subject of the Willy’s

Your second comment. In this thread. In this thread we are in right now. The one titled “This is how to kill a francize”.

@AquaPainter168

There were people that called Willy’s Jeep an exploit, and then mentioned another car. Why do the dev’s pick up on single posts to our advantage, but ignore 1000 posts about bugs?

You were the one that raised the the subject of the Willys in this thread. No one else did.

In that comment, you are implying it was other people - and by choice of language not you - calling the Willy’s an exploit. Despite the fact that back when the Willys was still a thing, you were calling it an exploit and for its removal.

IN THIS THREAD you lamented the Willys and the removal of such advantages. Despite your history IN PREVIOUS THREADS of calling for the removal of advantages in general and the Willys specifically.

Funnily enough, in those same historical threads you claimed to not use those exploits specifically, or advantages in general. Now you claim you do. Your use of language is dishonest, hypocritical and intentionally obtuse.

[AquaPainter168]

@MonaroNZ

You were the one that raised the subject of the Willys. You were the one implying it was other people and not you complaining about the Willys. End of story.

I didn’t raise the subject of the Willy’s, my post was about a week after Willy’s was raised. The exploit was discovered by somebody else, not me. I even used the exploit myself… a game cheat is just a term for an exploit. The word ‘cheat’ does not have bad connotations in games, it’s meaning was substantially reduced to meaning a way to gain advantage using a means that wasn’t figured out by the programmers. If I use a cheat, and then say I want the cheat removed, it is because it ruins the game. I am a games designer, so a thing that breaks a game is something that I want removed… even if I have used it. There is no hypocrisy, you can be a smoker who doesn’t want cigarettes to be sold, you can be an alcoholic who doesn’t want alcohol to be sold. I want something removed from the game even if I have used it myself. I call it a cheat, because I am not playing the game the way it is supposed to be played. I don’t think I have used the English language in any way that is contradictory.

[AquaPainter168]

@MonaroNZ

Funnily enough, in those same historical threads you claimed to not use those exploits specifically, or advantages in general. Now you claim you do. Your use of language is dishonest, hypocritical and intentionally obtuse.

No I didn’t, look…
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