This is the most balanced game in terms of PI that they’ve had, especially in B class.
Datsun 510, small wheel base, lack of tire width, minimal downforce, narrow as all get out, and you’re buying a standard road going version of a car made 40 years ago. You are essentially trying to take a Datsun, upgrade it to performance levels beyond it’s means, and expect it to compete with modern day sports cars?
Where do you want me to start in B class?
Then explain the Beetle.
Tune it and beat your time then and you will quickly realize the Beetle isn’t exactly a walk in the park.
You’re all missing my point. The Datsun 510 and S2000 is just one example but regardless, why can a VW beetle run circles around a Lexus ISF or a Toyota MR2? How is a Buick Regal in any way, shape or form faster than an RX7 if restrained to B class?
You say this is more realistic but it isn’t. A Beetle could never keep up with an S2000 or an NSX or an MR2 or a Supra on a track. In a drag race sure but not in a corner. If there are any physics regarding vehicle dimensions and true aerodynamics than they are very poorly programed.
And why shouldn’t we talk about, or criticize something like this? Would you rather leave it up to game reviewers who don’t even care about or understand SIMULATION racing games? I don’t.
You are comparing two different things. Where is Dust when you need him? Real life vs. Forza. I understand and agree somethings are terribly unrealistic. If you wish to relay your feedback to T10 there is an email address. If you wish to discuss why the 510 might look as good as an s2k stat wise but doesn’t produce the same lap time, well if you look at the comments made they explain wheelbase, tire width,etc.
@IARLYN thanks for posting that time. I ran that in the lobby Tuesday night. Not bad for a lobby time, maybe I’ll hotlap it. I would gladly cut the op slack, but he threw down the challenge. He also has been posting like this in other threads. There are many variables that go into a given car,with a given build, and a given driver, on a given track. Apples to apples, oranges to oranges. Otherwise it is just a pissing contest.
@OP
You cannot drive a Spec-Sheet.
On paper, a Nissan GTR shouldn’t be able to perform as well as a lightweight, more powerful, Ferrari 458. In reality, however, the Japanese, family supercar trashes the Italian giant. I’d be more worried about FM5’s physics if Spec-Sheets were the main source of performance application. I’m glad to hear that it’s not.
Apply tunes (Not just upgrades) that compliment your car. What works on one does not work on all.
I’ve ran into similar situation in FM4 therefore this is not limited to FM5 alone. I had a Kia ceed with 300 ft.lbs of torque and 350 hp. Honda Civic Type-R had 240 ft.lbs of torque and also 350 hps. They were both same weight but Honda’s PI was about 50 points higher than the Kia. Honda also dominated that event with minimum of 2.0+ second per lap advantage on every full size track.
Also, I have noticed muscle cars also suffer, not on engine output but on power delivery to the wheels.
The pattern seems to be that the older cars and family/passenger cars do not deliver 100% of the power to the wheels but some of the power seems to get lost somewhere < I am speculating.
Therefore I am not surprised about the difference between the old Nissan 510 & the much newer Honda S2000.
If one is only focused on winning, then you need the top car. Just take the car you enjoy driving it and race it to your fullest regardless of where you finish!
I love these threads… make 1 negative comment about the game and automatically you suck at it…
HaHaHaHa… Discussion Boards have not changed since Usenet… lol
Way off in that assessment. Still a lil sore from your thread? Ego is what ruins it. People are just amazing at everything and everybody who offers insight to the contrary is a troll or some other generalization.
I ask this question. If we all have it wrong and you all have it right. Why does it not reflect in lap times and in lobbies? That is a sincere question. I would really like insight into this as it would help me explain to future posters how to get better in a way that won’t be viewed as “trolling” or whatever. The truth hasn’t worked, empirical evidence hasn’t worked, what will?
huh? Couldn’t resist an opportunity snipe I see… oh, well… that’s the nature of internet forums…
Anyway, to answer your question, tone is what makes all the difference. The way words are used can be perceived completely differently when spoken than when typed anonymously. “Just get better” or “It’s you not the game” or “driver issue”… yeah, that doesn’t exactly come off as constructive criticism in a discussion board… PC is probably the way to go… But hey… I’m not the “expert” offering up unsolicited “advice”…
Back to posting on the topic… I agree with OP… and it’s not just PI inconsistencies that I have noticed… +1 to you matt but remember… it’s just a game. Try not to follow other’s examples and take it too seriously…
Nice snipe and “tone” Love your stats at the bottom of your sig. Thanks for proving my point.
Woo Hoo! Another thread closed because folks can’t handle having a simple conversation.
TIL you can change the tone of written out words. #Mindblown
Just for giggles, I just bought a 510, threw random parts on it to get it to 599PI, and ran a half dozen sloppy laps on Catalunya GP. No tweaks to the settings save upping the tire pressure to 31, because I knew I liked it higher from previous experience. The result is a time of 2:06.992.
Random parts. No attempt to tune them. Six rather messy laps. Top 2% result. Leads me to believe that this car, with the right tune, and the right driver, is capable of breaking at least the 2:00.000 mark. In alien hands, who knows…
Now I don’t tend to go around the forums telling people they suck, and I’m not about to start now, but either I really lucked out with the “tune”, or I’m a much better B class driver than I thought, (or both, lol). This car can certainly go quite a bit faster in either case than 2:06.992 with a proper tune though.
I give up, you people are impossible to talk to. The pi system sucks in this game, all the top runners use the same cars.The Ferrari F50 still dominates S class and some of A, the KTM Xbow dominates A class, the Ferrari 312 dominates R class. B class, although it the best for equality, is still dominated my the same handfull of cars. But you guys are right, there’s nothing wrong with this game and I must not know how to tune cars, upgrade them or race them.
You can have the best car + tune its not gonna automatically make you fast… look at the diversity on the B leaderboards, all sorts off different cars. Your arguments are extremely weak. Comparing B class to R class? Really? Apples and oranges my friend.
This isn’t new. FM2 had lb cars. FM3 was awd dominated. FM4 Had rev bangers, and drag tires. FM5 1.6 rally engines or ls1’s. You are making two arguments here.
Argument 1- FM5 isn’t real life and there are things that could be better. I believe everyone here has agreed to that.
Argument 2 you will beat whoever at CAT GP, Spa, Indy. I believe people have taken you up on that. That was your fault you issued the challenge.
What more do you want?
Email T10 with your concerns,criticism. That has been posted. Outside of that there is nothing we can do. I agree with you some upgrades are ridiculous so be it. Racing is still racing do your best or not.
Which is why I don’t usually play Rivals. Only monthly. But I don’t think the PI system sucks, it doesn’t matter what you do to a game. There is no way Turn 10 could create a proper PI system. Only thing they could do is update the rivals to ban certain cars, which would be stupid. But how would you create a PI system? I am not trying to be mean, but I just want to know how a good PI would be set up as? There are a ton of variables to include including all of the different engines, racing parts, etc. The only thing I could come up with is in Rivals itself, limiting the cars to certain requirements. Which is why I don’t usually do the time attack rivals events, I do the ones that are more limiting in what you can use.
Take a look at the Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 for an example. On paper, it weighs over 4,000 pounds, has 580 bhp, but yet can smoke a Jaguar, some Aston Martins, and even a Ferrari California on the track. This is because of it’s magnetic ride control suspension. Then, like someone said above, take a Nissan GTR. That can smoke almost anything supercar wise. It is very technologically advanced.
Same goes for Forza and upgrading. There are just too many variables to account for. If they put each car into a certain class based on all of their variables, there would have to hundreds of classes. There is no realistic PI that will work for a racing game that wouldn’t have one car on top, and others that don’t make any sense as to why it is there. It is very complicated to explain, but I can’t see Turn10 ever being able to do a perfect PI system. It just wouldn’t be possible.
@OP
your highest rank on any track in B Class is #286…this is not the place to randomly challenge people bud. As in your other threads, people are trying to help. It seems to me that if someone makes a suggestion to improve driving, tuning, etc then that somehow indicates you suck? This has been at least the 3rd thread I’ve seen from you and at least the 3rd time I’ve seen you get defensive regarding your skill level. Granted, I think some of the suggestions could have been worded a bit more diplomatically but the end result is the same. Practice tuning, driving, building, etc. Clay sent you a FR and you accepted. We race nearly every night, feel free to join us and race with us. No matter how fast you are, no matter how great of a tuner you are…you never stop learning in this game. Ever.
Weed through the negative comments but also read between the lines,it’s all the same advice. Practice.
As far as the engine swaps go, I agree that they are ridiculous. It is what it is, you can still find a car to be competitive without it being the top car, ESPECIALLY in lobbies. Join us one night and take note of what we drive…non LB cars. Also take not of the times that are needed to win online. Nothing great is required. Good luck and keep practicing.