Just some feedback to the handling in general in forza 7. I am finding that cars in general seem to have stiff steering. Meaning that no matter how hard I turn left or right into a corner it just seems to always understeer. It doesn’t seem possible to really yank the wheel around. Cars seem to grip the track no matter what and it just does not feel right or fluid. It feels to easy and like I’m not really driving the car at all. Like I’m being assisted.
I have all the assists switched off, but I play games like this to get a feel of how cars handle and at the moment they all feels too similar and is really lessening my enjoyment of the game.
I realize that Forza 7 is on the arcade of of spectrum when it comes to sim, but cars just don’t feel alive like they do in forza 6. This games looks beautiful, but there is no skill in holding down A and steering the car with what feels like some kind of assist going on. Its like I’m not really driving the cars to some degree.
The positive side of it all is that physics have been improved and there’s a better sense of what the front tires are doing and they do bite down a bit better than FM6. However, Forza simulates understeer if you brake late or just tap/feather the brakes mid-corner, in order to transfer more weight to the front and have better front wheel grip. The game understeers and the driver refuses to turn the wheel further. I know this is not related to the built-in speed sensitive steering issue because I replicated it using the same corner entry speed, but this time braked only before the turn; my driver seems more willing to turn the wheel.
Braking lightly in the middle of the corner while not going too fast, should not result in understeer. It still feels to me like steering lock while cornering is tied to braking through an invisible wire. Am I the only one here?? Brakes should have zero effect on steering lock. If you get aggressive while braking, I can understand the understeer. But drivers do this all the time to adjust their trajectory while cornering, hit the apex better, and floor it on the way out.
Switch to simulation steering and enjoy the snap oversteer. But… when you get used to it and adjust by smoothing out your throttle inputs, it’s a lot of fun. In FM6 I ran with sim steering in C class and below and it really made the FWD and AWD cars come alive.
If you get too frustrated with sim steering, try adding to out and see if that helps. If the car still understeers too much you’ll have to tweak some other things.
If your playing with a game pad you don’t have to worry about understeer. The input layers of the gamepad make up for the lack of feel you would get from a FFB wheel, so if you truly want to ‘throw the car around’ get yourself a wheel.
I am on sim steering - always have since FM4. Nothing less feels better. Keeping my deads on 0/100. I don’t really have a major issue with understeer but the OP certainly does. Perhaps we’ll see further improvements in FM8 or maybe we’ll see a patch for F7 just like we had one for 6, to improve physics.
Either way, driving feels really great on a pad as it always has, minus the unusual braking mid-corner + understeer issue. But is isn’t a major one as I said - it can be dialed down through either tuning or changing up driving technique a little bit.
After playing the game more, I can confirm the stiff steering, aka. dead steering bug from FM6 and H3 is back. If you like to brake late into turns or feather brakes while turning to better hit the apex, the game will not let you steer any more. In fact, your car will understeer unrealistically as if dabbing the brakes lightly is causing the front tires to slip rather than give you better ‘nose traction’ due to weight transfer. Furthermore, the driver starts turning the opposite way slightly, as if getting ready to countersteer. You can try and replicate this yourself in any car.
No, this is not a tuning issue or how I’m driving. This is a bug in how the steering works on the pad. It seems to be connected to brakes through an invisible wire.
You are playing on a controller were the aids/filters are designed to let you turn at the maximum grip of the front tyres, It will not let you go past that point.
You can only put in 100% in any direction of your tyres, if you are cornering at 100% (wich is wjat the conteoller does) applying the brakes is only going to make you loose traction not gain it from weight transfer.
Your technique will work if you slow down and not exhuast your tyres lateral grip, it’s not a bug it’s the way you are trying to drive and trying the same thing over and over without properly understanding why it’s doing what it’s doing.
to me this is a massive point of frustration, that the game does not allow me on the gamepad to actually really understeer the car out of a corner if i choose to do so. it just won’t turn the wheel.
i take that as a form of patronizing me as a player and i dont like that.
especially when GT Sport gets that right on their gamepad steering and it feels very nice there.
I’ve tried sim steering and other than making steering from centre more sensitive, it really is undesirable, to me anyway, with a wheel and a controller. Oversteer comes to quickly and too sudden, even with slight steering changes.
I’ve been flicking backwards and forwards between FM6 and 7 and have to say the steering in FM7 seems to be much more user friendly and is definitely more grippy. I don’t get the understeer when braking mid corner on FM7 though, in fact, I find I can easily brake into a corner all the way to apex and get no understeer/oversteer, unlike with FM6 where it seems to be more sensitive to braking mid-corner (all assists off).
i of course do use sim steering. the only difference is that the left stick is more sensitive to movement, but it does not eradicate the problem i described.
I’m not seeing you get much help. But are you asking for help? If so you need to give more information about your setup. Are you using a “wheel” and which? If you are, then poor FFB and wheel settings will cause the things you describe. You get understeer because the FFB is making the wheel to stiff to easily turn in all the way. Or the steering sensitivity and degree of wheel rotation is so great. That it takes to much wheel rotation to get a full lock on your wheels! So if you really want to resolve your issue. Visit one of the many threads on properly adjusting your type of controller and FFB.
I think FM7 is the best physics yet. FM4 had too much grip. FM 5 & 6 had too little grip. FM7 has more realistic grip levels and the weight transfer feels much better. Simulation steering on a game pad is more realistic. You can trail brake to tighten a line through corners and add throttle to counter understeer. It’s no Assetto Corsa or PC2 but it’s decent for a simcade.
The physics are about the only thing I like in this game compared to past games.
Yes iv’e noticed in more than a few cars “Full Lock” gives you a turning circle the size of the moon.
By contrast in Project Cars 2 I have the steering sensitivity down to 5 out of 100 and I still violently veer off left & right on a speeding straight!..GAGH!!!
the steering in forza is that way because thats just the way the game is, and has always been, its part of the code.
and this is the only major thing preventing forza from steeping into the “true simulator” category, cause the actual physics are quite good.
steering options/adjustments would be the best way to deal with steering cause people would be able to tune the steering to their own personal preference, the way assetto corsa and project cars 2 allow it to be done.
yes, i would like to see that, please.
after having played GT Sport i simply cant put up with the gamepad feeling in Forza 7 anymore.
i might need to get a wheel just because of that…
Funny you mention that because I feel the exact opposite - with no assists, I find Gran Turismo virtually impossible to play. I guess I’m just too used to Forza at this point, but there’s also the fact that the Xbox One controller is far better for driving games than the DS4.
