All you who use op cars like the boneshaker or a meta car with antispin and traction controll on. Do you really think its you who wins ? Or dont you care how you win as long as you win? To me its like using autoaim in a shooting game. I use my own cars with my own tunes, cus then i know it me and my skills that win, unlike when using a op it is 30% you and 70% the car.
Note this is a serious question and i like and serious answer.
Using traction control online is a disadvantage and not advantage.
No one can win online only because of the tune and if you lose to someone all the time it probably means that they are good driver. However, if you build your own tunes and you don’t have enough knowledge of how tuning works in FH5 then there is a serious chance you put yourself in disadvantage. Don’t expect to be rewarded only because you spent some time in garage.
For example, A class is my favorite and that’s what i play the most. I use various different cars and tunes but i mostly stay inside a pack of competitive or semi-competitive cars with competitive tunes in order to have a better experience online. Better results = better experience.
1 who said that i lose ? 2 you did not answer the question. And if you think traction control and antispin is a disadvantage when using a op meta rwd car the you never used one so good for you 
and if they are good drivers then why use a op car? Unless you only care about winning and dont care that your car is alot faster than all the rest.
But again just answer the question. If you dont use op and meta cars dont answer
Wait a moment! Let me get the snacks… 
I know this will start something but i just want an honest answer to why people use op cars
If you drive a powerbuilt you are going to be faster without tc than with it. It feels easier with tc but it’s not the best way to go and if you face someone who can control it without tc you will see that tc is a disadvantage.
The reason that some of us may go for better cars is obviously looking for better results.
i think the point that the original poster is trying to make is that some people need to start tuning their own cars instead of relying on others tunes or meta builds.
and as much as i agree with him. to each their own/do as please
but dont come on these forums talking all big when you cant tune ur own cars.
and personally im like a B rate player so my tunes are decent but im cool with where i place while playing cause for the most part its all me i will on the occasion use a tuning app if the car im tying to tune really gives me a hard time
If i want to make a tune for a car in order to race it online the tune i will make is more likely to be similar or the same as the ones other competitive players have already shared. I can apply my own tuning based on my driving style, but the build will more likely the same. It’s not always like that but many cars are competitive with only one way of upgrading.
I have no problem using others tune also but now im talking about op cars. And the mindset using them, like i said for me its like cheating and if i would use them i know it was the car winning and not me, regarless if im a good or bad driver.
So this is not a hate post on people using them, i just want to know why they are using them. If you suck at driving and using them to be able to compete that is a valid answer.
I told you already that only reason i may select a more competitive or even meta car is trying to get a better results, but you don’t want to hear. There is no complicated mindset behind it really.
I know this game enough to understand when someone (myself included) won only because of the car.
Simplest answer is people are desperate to win, in Open I can kind of understand that but not anywhere else, and you do still see them in Tour + the Trial, though in this week’s both Integra users I’ve had in my teams have been awful drivers and done nothing with it.
I’ve been in with at least 1 person using the FXX in every S1 Anything Goes Road + S1 Ferrari Tour I’ve ever done, and they’ve been mostly good drivers so obviously already know how good the FXX is.
and i also dont mean to hate on anybody for using others tunes but i notice some players that are very fast lots of times it not their work. and ur right though why use metas/ops it proves nothing and in a game of trying to be the best u should want it to be for the most part all you
Thank you for the answer
If you believe that the players that are very fast are only because of other’s work then try for once yourself a meta car or tune to see if you can match them
If you’re not the only one using op/meta, it’s not unfair. Equal access. I use them at times because I like them, fun to drive.
I tune some, but not as well as good tuners.
Few racers in real world tune their own cars either. Again, skill but equal access.
I absolutely disagree. Knowing how to tune your car to your driving style on each track is essential for being a good racing driver. Of course, they will not do it personally with tools in their hands, but it’s their decision. Modern Formula1 may be an small exception: They have a lot of help by engineers and simulations, but at the end of the day, the driver needs to have confidence in his setup.
To begin with, traction control and stability control are an outright disadvantage in the vast majority of cars to any experienced player. Exceptions include the C 600 powerbuild Reliant Supervan, used for cross country and dirt events, where TCS enables more precise control over bumps. There is no known situation in the competitive community where STM is faster. When considering the pace difference of meta cars, it is important to remember that in order to extract said pace, a driver must have the skill to do so. Examine the laptimes on Horizon Mexico Circuit, for example; a track where powerbuilds hold sway in every class by a comfortable margin. Since you mentioned the Bone Shaker, let’s look at the A 800 leaderboard. The world record stands at a 59.787 in the 1932 Ford Coupe, with the Bone Shaker having achieved low 1:00.xxx on several occasions. However, these vehicles are both powerbuilds, and are seldom used online by casual players. The most popular build of the Bone Shaker, which is AWD and the one you are most likely to encounter online, is capable of 1:01.xxx. For reference, what is considered a ‘good’ time in a balanced/AWD tune for this track in rivals testing is somewhere around the 1:03 mark. Now, we consider external factors. Two seconds per lap may sound like a lot, and in a competitive environment it is, but in Horizon Open, considering the frankly colossal skill discrepancy between players, most will struggle to drive below a 1:07 in the Bone Shaker even in optimal conditions with no traffic. The equivalent to using autoaim in a shooting game would be using autosteer - and even that wouldn’t be fast. AWD meta cars are only as good as their driver. The same applies even more to powerbuilds; in order to succeed in them, you need to have good throttle control - TCS doesn’t replace that. TCS allows you, once you have set off, not to spin the wheels on corner exit. It does not replace the terminal understeer you would experience with a normal driving style (slip angle is necessary to keep most powerbuilds in A class and below from understeering at speed), or the wheelspin experienced at the start of an event. Most users of powerbuilds will be reasonably skilled, as it takes practice just to keep the car going where you want it to. At the end of the day, most people who use meta fall into one of four categories: people who want to win by any means possible (including but not exclusive to rammers, cheaters, headhunters, etc); people who want to participate in the battles at the head of a lobby but lack the pace to do so in a non-meta car (usually reasonable but not excellent drivers who want to improve their racecraft/skill); people who are attempting to become more skilled with a specific car in a racing environment for any number of reasons (e.g. personal satisfaction, rivals runs, internal championships, time trials); and those who are simply testing and refining a tune in an online setting. Personally, as long as someone races well, I couldn’t care less what car they’re using. While I avoid meta myself, I’ve had some of my best races with people who are using meta.
TLDR: Horizon Open isn’t just about you. People have their reasons for using whichever car they want to, and you have no right to stop them. Sure, it might annoy you that you’re losing to them on some occasions, but if losing bothers you so much, either use a meta car yourself, find a different lobby, or find some way of improving. If people want to use meta, let them; it’s not a felony. There are much bigger problems in the online community such as rammers, cheaters, autofinishers, etc which have a much larger impact on racing than someone who is using a fast but completely legitimate car.
I can’t drive anywhere near as well with TCS. it drives me mad. I found it easier without when I went for a fast time with a Torana at Decansor Dorado Sprint and it’s having mahoosive turbo lag. The truth is a lot of the time it’s just really good throttle control.
ABS feels weird too. I know it’s better to have it on,but I have it off and it’d be cool if there rooms where it could be off for others too. I like the danger of knowing I can lock the brakes.
Bruhh!!! There are people who play for fun and don’t even care about winning. If they are using meta cars with assists, let them use. Why do you care??
Well, boneshakers become more op the better the driver is. So in that sense, yes the car makes it easy for the driver, and with that logic yes it is the driver winning because of his control of the car and understanding of the car. However that car is unrealistic. Also, traction control is a disadvantage; it cuts your car power off to reduce wheelspin. Being able to control your acceleration and not spin your wheels in 4th is skill.