It’s harder than I thought, particularly not wrecking anyone. The last thing I want to do when I raced was wreck anyone else or run them off course. But I did that a couple times yesterday by accident when I tried to pass them (and apologized). It’s very difficult, not to make contact when you’re overtaking someone. If you’re doing it in a turn (which is usually when it happens), your car may slide a little or the person in front of you may not see you coming and may turn into the line you’ve chosen or just might rub and then someone gets pushed just enough to go off course. It was certainly a learning experience. I found myself feeling so bad for making contact that in the later races I just hung back and drove cautiously, not necessarily to win. The wreckers were there, of course, and they were a pain. But we survived.
I guess I’m looking for some advice from the good racers who race competitively. Can you give me some advice on overtaking and passing? I’m surmising that patience is key. But maybe you can elaborate. TIA
My buddy and I were talking about this the other day as he is new to MP races(played FM4 but only single player and rivals). He said “Man it was so stressful racing real people all night trying to make sure not to make contact with other cars” Now 2 months later and 100+ hours of MP races he is much more relaxed and having way more fun. He now understands that contact will happen in almost every race, not crashing but little bumps here and there because everyone is trying to push it to the limit.
As for passing tips I would say maybe, maybe 50% of racers know how to hold a line in the corner. Can’t even count the times I passed someone just before a corner and they still try to apex it even though I’m in the apex already. But an easy way to pass most average racers is to stay right on their rear bumper, they will start paying more attention to you than the racing line and miss a corner at some point.
Just be aware of your surroundings and you will do fine… It seemed like i wrecked 5 ppl last night because they would just run the corner normal and i was on their inside so they would hit me and spin out… Play the ABC lobby and get some good passing experience
Just be aware that some corners are easier to overtake on than others. It sounds stupid but you’d be surprised how many people try to overtake on a difficult corner like the corkscrew.
Don’t overtake on high speed corners like the bend after the carousel on Road America. The multiplayer in this game would be a lot better if players stopped doing stupid stuff like this.
I too only recently joined some public online races. I’ve been almost exclusively racing in a private league since FM4. The main difference is that we all know each other and all basically know how to avoid contact. League races often see 2 cars side by side with no contact for several consecutive corners and sometimes even 3 cars! The car on the inside knows he can’t accelerate the same exiting the corner because it will take him wide and into the car on the outside. and the car entering on the outside knows he can’t hit the apex because there is a car there. You know the other car is there because 1) your driving in 3rd person, 2) you saw them move forward to your side in the mirror in cockpit view, and 3) the other driver has communicated “on your inside” or “Outside”…
This etiquette is simply not present in public lobbies so you have to adjust to this. I found as stated by DAT trashman, I find with less experienced drivers, it’s easiest to stay on their bumper and wait for them to make a mistake. If they don’t run off the track, at some point they will at least run a little too deep allowing you to tuck right under them and exit on the inside.
It’s natural to feel stressed out when you first start racing online. Bumps, taps and scrapes will happen and that’s ok. I like the advice from sixstringer, a lot of bad accidents happen because people don’t know when they should or shouldn’t pass. The corkscrew on Laguna Seca is no place to try attempting a pass as one car takes the whole section mostly to make it through yet I’ve been wrecked many times by people who don’t know any better. Another place to watch out for is the chicane at Prague, once again it’s a one car deal but you’ll have people that think that’s a place to pass and it isn’t.
Keep at it and you’ll get better and more comfortable the more you drive. You’re already well on your way as you seem to already be a courteous racer and are paying attention to what is happening around you.
The burden of passing clean is one everyone has to deal with. And there are a lot of factors that will play into your passing.
My advice would be
Know your tracks. You need to know where you can and cannot pass. (Corkscrew at seca was a good example of where not to pass)
Know your car. A lot of people use downloaded tunes which is fine, But be comfortable with your set-ups before each and every race. Know that you will be able to make your car stick anywhere. If your car sticks in the corners the way its supposed to then you just feel a lot better getting up beside someone or putting pressure on them.
Communicate. It doesn’t happen much in hopper lobbies, But even just saying “Inside” or “Outside” to someone could mean the difference between getting around them clean or not. Most times other drivers will give you some room if they know your faster, and some drivers will block, bump and bang you every chance they get. So it is a crap shoot. But being in a lobby for long enough. and knowing your competition will prove to be more of a help than hindrance.
Timing. Knowing WHEN to pass a car is key, In and around a lot of traffic can be the most stressful… Where you know you have a handle on your car, but have no idea about anyone else around you.
If the situation allows for it , take your time, be patient and set them up… Most situations all you need to do is pressure someone and let them screw up on their own… When they start driving out of their mirror, you got em !
As you learn how the lobbies operate than your comfort/confidence level will rise. And believe it or not there are people who do use some strategy when racing… Soon as the green flag flies, I pull off to the side, and let everyone by… And I completely avoid the wrecking in the first few corners. I don’t win every race, but usually finish up front… Once everyone else has thinned out, and started racing… Then just start picking them off 1 by 1. You will encounter guys who wont want to let you by. And those people are usually their own worst enemy, they’ll take themselves out more often than not…
OP, sounds like you have the right ideas. I don’t like to force my way though the pack so I try to stay close enough to put pressure on. Make sure they know you are right there. That mind game is pretty powerful and in most cases, you’ll find an opening when they make an error or they will simply let you by. You do have to remain vigilant though for those few that will try to rub you or cut you off while passing though.
A few rules I try to follow for what I like to call passive-aggressive racing:
Stay close behind the car, but brake earlier than they do when entering a corner. Most of the time they will think you are going for the outbrake technique and overcook it into the corner. Using this method they will be at the least, sliding with limited traction through the corner and you will be going half-throttle through the corner, not sliding and able to pass with the extra speed and grip out of the corner.
Take a different line. On the sharper corners you can turn in really late (but slower) and end up on the inside coming out of the corner.
Just don’t get too caught up about the accidents. Most people are ok if something is your fault and you apologize and get on with it. I’m happier knowing that someone didn’t mean it instead of thinking that it was on purpose.
At least you’re trying. Let the lobby know you are new and it’ll be a better time.
If you don’t know 1 or 2 cars by heart, do so. It’ll help when you’re put in odd situations on track.
Be patiently aggressive. Pounce when you know you can stick the car but wait and try other lines when you’re unsure. Wait for the guy in front to mess up if you’re unable to set up a goos pass. Sometimes you might have to wait a few laps. This is common on a track like Spa.
The better you get the more likely you are to stick unreal passes and tailgate others without wrecking them.
When you get really good you’ll learn how to take the chicane at seca side by side cleanly among other tricky corners
wow, i’m glad not everyone thinks like that! :S Seriously, you can do that in a FPS or FIFA or whatever, but not in a racing game. Say, your playing a team based MP mode in a shooter, if you decide to go the ego route and just play your own game thats ok. It wont really help your team but at least you are not really spoiling the fun of others, as long as it doesnt allow friendly fire and you decide to kill your own teammates.
Its a different story in a race game: On the track, your actions will have a big impact on how others experience the game and how much fun they get out of it. There’s nothing more frustrating than having a great and fair fight with another racer over dozens of laps, just to get rammed of the track when trying to lap the first backmarker you meet, because he doesnt care about the rest and just drives like he’s the only one on the track. If you are slower than the others thats perfectly fine, it doesnt mean you shouldnt play MP, but always make sure you dont spoil the fun of others by being egoistic.
NEVER EVER forget that there’s always another human being sitting behind the wheel of every other car on the track. And they all just want to have some fun while playing during their often very limited spare time. i usually come home from work pretty late, and the one or two hours i can spend to get my Forza fix, i dont want to be wasted by constantly being rammed by some muppets who dont care about the rest. And i’m not talking about beginners who are struggling to keep their car on the track, everyone has started as a beginner at some time.
Dont forget, if you play MP like this (not caring about others in the same room), you are clearly violating the code of conduct and the TOS you accepted when joining Xbox Live. MS can ban you for this, in case of recurrence even up to a lifetime user or console ban.
you can tell if someone has hit you on purpose or if its just an accident.
my one tip would be sit behind someone for half a lap. let them know that your not being dropped. when you go for the overtake they should just move over. people tend to be aggressive if you dive in straight away. because they dont think you are faster. give them half a lap of tailgating and they usually accept it.
that said though. some people you can be patient, wait and wait. then cleanly pass them only for them to t bone you at the next corner. but for these people you can do nothing.
It takes awhile to develop proper spatial awareness in Forza, especially if you drive from cockpit view. (Which I do.)
You can’t see your front bumper so you have to kind of have a sixth sense about the dimensions of your car. You have to have a seventh sense to remember where everyone else is around you when they’re in your blind spots.
Don’t worry, don’t get too nervous about wrecking people. Just stay on the track and compete to the best of your ability. Eventually it will all start coming together.
I havent got fm5 but in Horizon what i do is stay behind them until your certain theres a space to get through, i try not to crash as much as i can, and ill usually hold back, losing one position doesnt really affect me, but more often than not they’ll go wide, and as im on the inside, floor the throttle and you’ll pass them, as it adds pressure when your right behind them, they go in the corner too fast because they may think that if they brake early you’ll slam into them; good luck
Know the track, the limits of the car, and your skill level.
Be aware of where other cars and and more importantly . . .
Show yourself to others others (through mic, rear view mirror, side mirror, or visually ahead)
Avoid attempting a pass without #3, especially INSIDE a corner
Observe the performance & limits of the car/driver ahead to learn their weakness then take advantage of their weakness
Know when to yield to a faster car/driver
Once one has regular racing friends whom you know & trust, you can race closer. For general online racing where most people are strangers, it is best to secure a larger envelope of safety.
My golden rule of passing: the car attempting the pass has the GREATER responsibility of assuring the safe pass
I don’t know what class you race but one tip is make sure you pull out of the draft when you go into a corner with someone. If your behind someone it’s your job to pass them clean, crashing happens soemtimes and that’s part of racing. This really only effects the faster classes like p x and R. Just quickly pull out to the left or right of someone when you go to brake into a corner. Than quickly get back on the line. Not sure if you can picture what I’m talking about but you’ll get the hang of it if once you realize how the draft works.
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