First time playing Forza so I probably just don’t understand how this works. Playing Free play I posted a time with a D class car and it ranked me with that time. Ran the same course with a different D class car (but higher rated) and bettered my best lap time by 47 seconds but it didn’t change my time or ranking on the leaderboard. Would I have to better the time with the same car for it it change?
clean laps areautonatically higher than dirty laps. if the lap is dirty you get that little triangle next to the time. contact, going out of bounds, drafting, others drafting off of you, jumping so all 4 tires come off the ground, …stuff like that gives you a dirty lap. if you do a clean lap in 10 minuets and do a 1 minuet dirty lap you 10 minuet laps is still your highest rated lap. drafting is probably the most common cause for dirty laps.
“Usually” you may not notice, but the time may have been “dirty” and therefore ranked below the “clean” time. The system disqualifies times in which a corner has been cut or a wall hit and similar things since you have a qualifying legal time.
There’s a difference between racing and leaderboards. Drafting is fair and useful in racing, but unfair in leaderboards. The idea behind a leaderboard is to compare your time versus other players, and it’s unfair if your time is faster because you got a draft. Depending on how much drafting you get to do, your lap could be several seconds faster, not by being better but by having better luck. Other players can’t be guaranteed the same fortunes as you to match the same amount of drafting benefit that you got.
Leaderboard times should be how fast you were in your car on that track, and that’s it. It shouldn’t be influenced by random factors like drafting traffic.
And people who played fm2 know why drafting is dirty in forza. In fm2 if you didn’t arrange for a mate to draft with you were at a disadvantage on the leaderboards.
Right, leaderboard times need to be set with no interference, and that includes other cars on the track. TBH I’d like more restrictions, like a separate leaderboard for stock cars, and preferably a separate one for cars with engine conversions as well, if the FM5 model of generic swaps that can go in almost anything is to be followed for FM6.
In my experience passing someone who is in bounds and moving causes a dirty lap, even if they are going so much slower you couldn’t possibly draft them. If a track record is set at Monza this weekend by Hamilton, the FIA isn’t going to disqualify his time because he drafted someone.
" We’re sorry Mr. Hamilton, the rules state that if you approach another car from behind and get to close to them or attempt to pass them, or if a faster car approaches you from behind and comes within close proximity to your car, your lap will be invalidated and therefore not be eligible for entry into the track records." “Also Mr. Hamilton, since Mr . Riccardo was the only driver to complete a lap with out coming close to another car, therefore having the only “clean” lap he is the race winner although he finished the race behind you.” “But Mr. FIA I only passed Kobyashi because I was lapping him and if I don’t stay in front of Rosberg he will cut my tire and I would have to retire and loose the race anyway.” “Now,now Mr. Hamilton you know that drafting is the cowards way to win a race, to prevent any possibility of this despicable practice from occurring, we have decided that the only laps that will be counted are those where a car is overtaken when at a standstill or off track.” " Mr. Hamilton, if you take the lead after the first lap and not let anyone close to you for a few laps, you could record a “clean” lap, then we don’t care what you do, as long as you finish first or those close to you don’t record at least one “clean” lap, you will win the race."
Hot-lapping is not the same as racing. F1 races are not won with fastest lap, but fastest 300km plus a lap. If the winner repeatedly exceeded track limits to do so he would be penalised, in qualifying with the lap being deleted or in the race with a time penalty of some kind. Not to mention that official lap records in F1 are set in the race and so have a lot more variables upon them than whether or not there’s another car providing a tow.
You can draft slower cars. I’ve done it a lot of times to get that extra bit of speed to pass them for the win at the finish line.
Stop confusing this game with real life. You just sound silly. Laps will be exploited and have already been done so if any form of drafting is allowed. Its the easiest way to keep the leaderboards legitimate and prove that X player set Y time under his/her own abilities.
My somewhat sarcastic scenario happens every day in multiplayer lobbies. I was in no way trying to show a parallel between real life racing and Forza. While my narrative might be a little silly, it does lay out my arguement clearly. The drafting policy that protects the integrity of the leaderboard times has a direct and many times unfair effect on who wins and loses MP races.
I don’t know if it does or not. I know if I have a clean lap, I can still get Gold even if I am in third place. I don’t know what medals the leaders were awarded with dirty laps. What I do know is if we all get gold medals, our precious Forza is no different than peewee baseball where everyone wins.
In FM5, the medals are awarding multiple finishes, so - depending on size of the field - third place can and does receive a Gold.
As to the drafting, there are actually two kinds - as we’ve covered for many years since the Certified or Uncertified separation in the Leaderboards. There is regular drafting, behind another vehicle for less wind resistance and increased speed. There is also bump drafting, where a faster car will “push” a slower one from behind. Both actions will invoke the little triangle with the exclamation point.
The reason? Back in FM2, there was no separation of “clean” (now Certified) and “dirty” laps, therefore - as in a lot of changed over the years in Forza Motorsport versions, the tracking method went into existence and two separations on the Leaderboards which into play in the listing of times. If one were to scroll through all the Certified times, which are listed first, down to the Uncertified ones, they would find nearly impossible times for laps. Those include corner cutting, wall-riding in some races, and either methods of drafting.
In FM2, the one which sticks out in memory the most prominently, was on Miguello. Minis were ahead on the list, and you could watch Replays to see they were assisted by larger, much more powerful cars, which were actually pushing them bumper-to-bumper from the back so the Mini attained speeds well over 200 mph. That car, obviously couldn’t do that type of speed without people colluding and cheating. In competitive online races, you’re going to naturally have drafting, but “place” ranks over “time” which is why it is rare to see a Leaderboard time posted from that arena.
Hence, we have Certified and Uncertified listings on Leaderboards. Why don’t these actions result in disqualifications or dropping the player in the standings? Most people enjoy racing, and if they spend 10 minutes or an hour, they don’t want a silly mistake to erase all the effort they’ve put into the race. Of course, Turn 10 could have designed Forza like the very popular Grand Prix Legends from 16 years ago, hobbling cars with damage so it takes 20 minutes to get back to the pits. But can you imagine the number of people who would quit out breaking a spindle instead of finishing multiple laps behind?