Outrage Over The Sacking of Forza Official Streamers

Hello Forza Team/Turn 10.

I’m writing to you regarding the shocking last 20-30 seconds of the content on your Monthly program last Thursday, the 24th of March 2022.

I am not only shocked that you have terminated all the Official Forza Streamers, but also in, what I found to be, the incredibly disrespectful way in which you did it, in not even giving them proper screen time to make the announcement. It seemed like you were trying to slip this announcement past your audience.

I avidly watch John Schommer’s, aka Johniwanna’s, streams. Even though my time zone does not make it easy to always participate, I make sure I watch his VODs. When I first started watching, I thought “why do I want to watch a guy playing video-games?”. Straight away though, I was drawn in by his energy, excitement, stories, humour, life lessons and more, I was truly hooked. For the last year that I have been watching, he has brought this “package” to every stream that I have seen him do, even through some difficult times in his personal life. He truly elevates Forza Horizon from just a game into an experience, mixing the game with car culture, something that I have never seen anyone else do. He brings guests with their incredible array of cars into his “office” and shares their stories and love of cars with his loyal audience. John transcends age groups too. His audience ranges from those in their sixties (and above) to those in their teens. I know of one particular teen who, as a direct result of being part of John’s audience, is looking to work in the automotive field. John has built a large and loyal community. I’m sure I can speak on their behalf when I say we’re disappointed (and outraged).

I think Forza/Turn 10 have underestimated all that John brings to the Forza brand.

John has created so many different events based on car culture for his audience. I learned so much about things I wouldn’t have been necessarily interested in.

John kept Forza Horizon 4 alive, fresh and interesting during the extended FH5 development.

Because of John, I got into track creation, livery painting and tuning. That was something I had no interest in previously. John used these on his streams and gave me and others so much encouragement. He gave amateur creators a place to show their creations. This outlet for creation and sharing the experience encourages camaraderie – it brings enjoyment for the game that would not have been derived merely from the game (it enhances the user’s overall experience and builds their interest in the product).

John continued to hype up FH5 even though we were all suffering through so many bug issues with his usual enthusiasm.

John recently celebrated 10 years working at Turn 10. I’m shocked that this is how his loyalty has been rewarded - with 20-30 seconds of “oh, by the way….” Also, only giving the streamers’ audience a week to say goodbye does not appear to show respect for their audiences who are the clients of Forza/Turn 10.

We, John’s audience, have lost a huge and fun part of our gaming life that you cannot replicate. John’s streams are unique. The decision to replace him has left many of us feeling hollow, and it will affect our overall appreciation for your product – it certainly affects the commitment to support Forza/Turn 10 when it appears to show so little regard for those who have played a valuable part in selling the experience (and thereby the product).

I know nothing I say will change the decision to terminate the services of the streamers (as it appears to be financial decision to replace paid for content with free content). As a fan of your games and of your official streamers (especially John), I’m angry, shocked and disappointed at how you’ve gone about things. Although I love the game, I will not be watching any future content you stream and I can also honestly say, this game won’t be the same for me anymore.

Respectfully,
FullCafLizard

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In the last few years, several people from the old media team left. The liaisons were the first (Mechberg and RetroKrystal) and now it seems Microsoft is cutting ties with the influencers as well. It’s unclear why this is happening. I know Retro left because “reasons”, but Mechberg leaving felt strange.

I’ve been a little out of the loop in FH5 because I haven’t been playing it, but I’ve noticed there haven’t been official design contests either. This is a deliberate decision on Microsoft/Playground’s part, because there’s no reason why there aren’t contests.

IMO Microsoft is eyeing a few YouTubers to replace oldtime people like John with, and the demo giveaway prior to FH5’s release was a test. It does sound ungrateful on Microsoft’s part that John leaving the streams is treated as a footnote.

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Totally bummed about this. As stated John has always brought a positive light to the franchise for the last decade and for this to happen is extremely disappointing to say the least.

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I learned this week that Shannon McIntosh just had her last Forza stream, which is depressing, as I always enjoyed her shows via VOD.
Missed the last Monthly stream, so had no idea other official streamers have been cancelled.

The official streamers were some of the few Twitch streamers I enjoy. None of the ridiculous “over-hyped” screaming, drama queens/kings that seem to populate so many streams - just enthusiastic folks enjoying the games I, too, have enjoyed over the years. I’ll definitely miss John Schommer, Shannon McIntosh and Verena Mei. Is Alie Tacq (another favorite) also gone?

This is very sad news and beyond disappointing!
Sp33dy

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John has always been a great CM in Forza series, I remember his awesome articles since FM4 times about motorsport, community rides, lots of contests/events…

It is really sad. I really think that his passion for motorsport and car culture could absolutely match what is expected for a CM in the upcoming new Forza Motorsport.

Replace him by the typical random gamer clone in YT/twitch is not specially hopeful about what is coming to the series.

And absolutely agree that the way it has been done is atrocious.

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Warning… you may get offended by what I’m about to say.

Who is this Johniwanna you speak of? I’ve been playing Forza Horizon for a few years now and not once have I come across this guy’s streams. I follow a few Forza streamers so if this guy was somewhat popular then I would have come across him by now.

I just searched for him on YouTube and had to type Johniwanna in full because even YouTube apparently doesn’t know who he is. His channel appears to have 586 subscribers and his last 2 uploads have had 10 and 4 views respectively.

So no disrespect to Johniwanna but on YouTube at least he appears to be consideraby less popular in comparison to other Forza streamers. Now I don’t know anything regarding this situation so all I will say is if he was paid/sponsored by Turn10 but has been dropped then it’s quite obvious why.

Maybe John lost his passion for streaming or maybe his content was once relevant and popular and that’s no longer the case. Again I don’t know anything except for what I have seen and not seen. And what I see is a YouTube streamer with very few recent views.

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I believe his vids are uploaded to Youtube only after they’ve streamed live on Twitch, where his main following … er … follow him.

Maybe but I mean all the Forza streamers I’m aware of or follow are popular on all streaming and social network platforms.

At the end of the day change is inevitable. Look at this game for example. Ask anyone (not me) who played FH1/2/3 about what they think of FH5 and they will just laugh in your face. Point being Forza Horizon at least has changed and is now tailored to the mass of casual players. As such new popular streamers take over who create content for this audience.

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I certainly had not seen or heard of these streams before. That’s a shame for him, though. It’s tough in a world filled with content and am sorry to hear this news, but if there is not a sufficient demand for content then no matter how good it is, they will stop funding and supplying it.

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Johniwanna streams on Twitch on the official Forza channel. I wasn’t even aware he had uploaded any videos to YouTube. When I watched his streams (though it was a few months ago) he always had 50+ viewers.

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Johniwanna was a legend on the Forza stream channels.
He’ll be sadly missed by most of us who watched him on a regular basis.
AC/DC Rock fans like him should never be banned whilst the current “Rock” stations in Horizon suck.
Angelica’s shout out of “Supplying All your Heavy Rock needs - on Horizon XS” & “The Home of Rock” is just how sad it’s become. Nothing remotely Rock about Horizon XS these days ( or FH4 for that matter )

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Beginning the first week of April, the Forza team is making changes to their weekly livestream programming; the regularly scheduled Forza Friday will remain and an all-new time slot will be added, where different Forza streamers from the community will be hosted. With this change, the other current weekly streams will come to an end on April 3rd. Please make sure to follow those streamers on socials so you can stay up to date with what they are working on.

They want to try something new by giving different Forza players a chance to showcase their content

Sadly, as an old timer, I don’t do Social Media, so that is indeed bad news that these seasoned streamers have been binned off by Forza.

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Sounds like this John guy was an OG. Good news is you can still support him. But to my earlier point, times change and so to do popular streamers. Just like the next set of popular streamers will fade out at some point. I think if you want to become a popular streamer right now you need to dress up as a unicorn and have a my little pony background.

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Guarding most of my feelings, but the way this all went down is wrong. How a company handles its business says a lot about said company, and for me Turn 10 has lost a good bit of respect in this. The streamers deserved better, Johniwanna especially. Frustrating.

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Well Said.
John was was of the all time great streamers and did not deserve to be cast aside.
I doubt the newbies will have anywhere near the insight or spirit that Johniwanna (John Schommer in case you need another search option ) brought to the streaming. Every stream he brought in all the interesting cars into his garage ( as in the real car ) and gave massive insights to the cars and people who actually made / drove them (IRL).

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Has a long time player of everything Forza… I’ve been around since the days of him being the unicorn :unicorn: saint of motorsport 4 … And having worked on a couple photo projects with him for horizon 2 and 3 .for heavy metal affliction…this is really saddening… John is a great guy … and has been a pillar in the Forza community…we’ve had our disagreements and haven’t spoke in a very long time… But that a side…I will say that you will be missed sir… And thank you for everything you’ve done over the years in the Forza community…

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Great Respect.
Bring him into XS to get some real rock into the game.

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This is just sad. John has been a pillar of the Forza community for years. Ive raced with him a few times and it was always fun and entertaining.

John, you will be missed.

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Why don’t some of you share your favourite clips of John? Maybe people such as myself who haven’t heard of him might like his content and end up following him.

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