New FFB system Dec 4th.. tell us what you think!!

Forza Motorsport Legacy Motorsport FM7 Discussion
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same but different… lol…
Systematically went through the NEW ffb features to see what they do(I set all the rest of the old ffb settings to the same values as before the update so I could see/feel the difference)… Used the Prague/550 Porsche in Rivals… Hardcore/Sim steering… Same pre-update car set-up and did not alter the pre-update set-up… Once I had the NEW ffb settings dialed in to my preference I actually improved my laptime over the pre-update time(which was my absolute best time)… Due to the “new” ffb feel giving better feedback to the driver perhaps?.. It seems like it…

Pre-update ffb settings I could “feel” the effect of understeer, the effect of the rear end coming around, bumps, curbs, weight transfer front to back/back to front/side to side, the sensation of going airborn, tire scrub(especially when sliding sideways. It felt like sidewall flex), the “hit” when power shifting 1st-2nd, 2nd-3rd gear, impacts from crashing, locking up the brakes, various vibrations etc…

With the NEW ffb, I still feel those things, but somehow it “feels” different. The balance of the weight of the car when turning feels different… placebo effect perhaps?..

Did the new Rivals with the new BMW… Used the same car set-up tuning procedure as I did pre-ffb update and it seems to work fine with the new ffb update…

Need to try the Alps/Dodge Ram pick-up Rivals since that truck has/had a more “wallowy” feel to it compared to most cars and see how that feels with the new ffb…

I had my TMX for about 2 1/2 years now. No idea what firmware it has. It seems to be working fine with the NEW ffb update…

Admit I was getting kind of burnt out on FM7 but with the new look and new “feel”, to me it’s almost like a brand new game, minus the price tag and new game grind to build credits…

Christmas came early this year…

…my 2 cents…

Also noticed the base of my wheel runs a lot cooler now… Before it would get 130F+, and that’s just the outer shell so the internals must be way hotter. I would have to take a break and watch replays to let it cool down before another round… Now it gets just slightly warmer than room temp…

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I think T10 knocked this one out of the park. Cars feel much more alive. The level of immersion is now much higher. I feel more at one with the car and can anticipate what the car is about to do and react quicker to it. I struggled with drifting before but now, although no where near competent, I can at least have a bit of fun. The FFB now feels very similar to Assetto Corsa and in some ways its even better. I play on xbox one x with a Fanatec CSL (full kit with h-pattern and load cell brake) with the internal wheel set at 25 FF and I’m using all default in-game advanced settings except for rotation = 900. Thank you Forza Motorsport 7 team, great work you have done here.

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The force feedback feels amazing now as I said before but I noticed that when cornering that there is no more feedback from road bumps and curbs. This is very very hard for me to ignore. When on nurburgring especially. When I’m flat out in a lowered A class car and I feel every single bump in the road. Except when I’m turning…than its completely smoothe.

Yes I have been consistently messing with the settings for hours now and no matter what I do this is still an issue.

Regardless this is a major and much needed improvement! It really truly makes Forza feel like a racing simulator. How it is meant to be. Almost perfect!! Thank you turn 10 please do not take offense to my words. I’m sure many others agree. Thank you!

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AWESOME !!! it should have been like that at day one release. And it can improve more i hope.

First i have all racing games (Raceroom, iRacing, rFactor 2, pCArs 1-2,Assetto , Competizione, Dirt Rally/4, Kartkraft, VRAlly4, WRC7, F1 2018, Ride 3), i use TS PC racer (360° cause i use F1 rim, but i have rally wheel for 540°, but i don’t use it)
And now the FFB is awesome !
It’s not better than rFactor 2, but with this high graphics quality and this FFB, i don’t want to play rFactor 2 anymore (or only the Nordschleife DLC for 2019)
My main test was with GT sport cars, GT3 cars, like the GT3 RS 2019. I think the GT3 RS 2019 it’s the best class for the game, not too much slow, not too much fast, and need some skills.
I didn’t like the Simulation handling before the update, i don’t like it after the update, i feel that Normal is the best one.
I race with Unbeatable AI and all assist off, and i have very very nice races !! My favorite Combo : Nordschleife + rain :slight_smile:

Compared to :
-pCars 2 : FFB in F7 is better and Graphics are better too.
-F1 2018 : FFB in F1 2018 are better for F1 obviously but graphics feel outdated, i don’t race F1 in Forza 7.
-rFactor 2 : FFB is better in rF2 but graphics, OMG, they are so awfull, they make me puke now.
-iRacing : probably the best racing game, tracklist is awesome, nice FFB, but a little bit outdated graphics, i wait for rain feature, and new damage feature, probably the best ONLINE race simulator.
-Raceroom : i have all content, but Raceroom is just a DLC maker, FFB is good, but graphics are not like F7, i prefer F7 now, for graphics, rain, night, all the content, and the FFB is maybe not as good, but is enough good now to be taken seriously…
-ACC : graphics are blurred, it’s UE4, FFB is lightly better, but F7 has so much content, that ACC feel like a demo, something to play one week, I have hated Assetto Corsa (1) i found the FFB only made for drifty kids.
-I don’t compare with rally games, it’s not fair.

CONCLUSION:
This new FFB is awesome compared to the old, the “road feeling” add should have been implemented at day one release, and need to be improve again, but this is the right direction.
Now the “dead feeling” in straight line or when we turn only lightly is almost removed, and we can “feel” the road. The new FFB feeling depends of the car class, for some slowest car, i feel only a light improvement, but for the GT SPORT class or similar (GT3) it’s awesome. I have bought the game day one, i have refunded, rebuy, then refunded, now i have re-rebuy and i will keep it, in this state i can enjoy it for a long time, the FFB quality and the graphics can make this game the best for 10 years !
I have uninstalled pcars 2, ACC, i think i will play rFactor 2 when the Nordschleife DLC will be released in 2019, but i prefer now F7, the awesome graphics + very nice optimisation (60fps day = 60fps rain, but will all other games, rain is a FPS killer, it divides by 2-3 the framerate) and now the wesome FFB, F7 is one of the best racing game !!
Is it a sim ? yes it is, it has not sim settings, like qualify, very high car tune, or race settings, but it’s just a race simulation, you drive, you drive, you drive…

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I call BS. You must have had the game plugged right into your crotch to get anything remotely like that.

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Who needs a wheel for FH4?

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well, it is what it is… I could hardly believe it myself especially since the TMX is probably the cheapest ffb available for FM7…

Try adjusting the ffb settings systematically ONE at a time. Increase the value to see what happens, then decrease the value to see what happens. Once one adjustment seems to feel right adjust another one doing the same procedure to see how that one changes the feel and so on… Then after going through them all and thinking it feels about right, start adjusting again to see how they interact with each other… It takes time but once you get the feel you want it should be a good universal feel for all the cars and shouldn’t need constant adjusting when changing cars…

With the OLD ffb all my settings were less than 60. Higher is not always better because that will cause clipping so instead of feeling different forces it just feels heavy… I actually figured this out when trying to dial in the ffb for PCars 1. I spent hours and hours and hours and hours messing with all those different settings until I was satisfied, only to decide I liked FM6 better. oh well…

With the NEW ffb the ATS/MTS/PTS/RFS settings are a little higher than what they replaced in the OLD ffb settings… I noticed yesterday when testing while doing Rivals, with the NEW ffb I sometimes have to adjust the Aligning Torque Scale to give the wheel increased feel since I think I have the Mechanical/Pneumatic/Road Feel balanced out pretty good…

I won’t post my settings here, or anywhere, only because (hint)I notice as I dial in the ffb settings my laptimes actually improve(hint)…

yep, it is what it is…

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I do. Only racing game I liked without a wheel was forza 4 car soccer. Had to use a controller. God I miss that. Plus I don’t play horizon as a racing game. Cruising and drifting. Having a dedicated hand brake is awesome.

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OK, I’ve tried the new FFB on several cars with saved setups. I’m still getting a bad steering wheel shake on most of my setups that wasn’t there before the update. I’m hoping it’s just a wheel setting or two that I can tweak to fix it. The shake usually happens on throttle lift off at fairly high speed.

Logitech G920, X Box, Simulation Steering

It’s very noticeable on the 2013 Mazda MX5. I’m in the top 1% and have run 1:43.xxx at Road Atlanta. At the bottom of the hill on the long straight, the wheel shakes like crazy on throttle lift off. It never did that before the update and I’m about 3 seconds slower now with the same setup.

Any ideas on what setting would reduce the shake or am I going to have to change the toe in?

Kevin

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I figured out how to reduce the shake. I increased the inside dead zone to 1 from zero. I really don’t like it since now there’s slop in the center position and it feels like I’m driving a 1970 pickup with no power steering. If this is the only way to get rid of the wheel shake I guess I’ll have to live with it but I’ll be very disappointed.

Kevin

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I figured out how to reduce the shake. I increased the inside dead zone to 1 from zero. I really don’t like it since now there’s slop in the center position and it feels like I’m driving a 1970 pickup with no power steering. If this is the only way to get rid of the wheel shake I guess I’ll have to live with it but I’ll be very disappointed.

Kevin

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I want to also add that the road feel really helps out my buttkicker on my seat as well, really feels in sync with the wheel vibrations and with the slight screen shake very convincing with a good surround sound system. I am loving this update more everytime I play it!

Great job Turn 10 and all involved…beyond my wildest dreams! FM7 was already my favorite game and it just got soooo much better!!!

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Since the update yesterday, I cannot feel the bumps in the road or the ripple strips etc. no matter what I change the settings to. The steering feels better now and more direct, just no feedback from the road. Anyone else have this problem?

Logitech G920 on PC

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I use the TX 458 on the Xbox, and since the update my wheel shakes and shudders going down the straightaway and in the corners. My wheel used to be nice and smooth, but not anymore. Changing the settings don’t seem to help. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

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Vibration to 0
Centre Spring to 0
Reduce road feel
But most importantly of all, Increase damping.

Should help out a tone.

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Imo this update has ruined the game for me so far! I’ve been tweaking the settings for about an hour and can’t seem to control my cars at all. I feel like I did back when I first bought the game. I mostly drift and I am in the top25 of most drift rivals but now I can’t even enjoy a simple drift sesh! Worst thing is that FM7 is literally the only game I play!! Well I’m sure I’ll figure it out just wanted to blow off some steam wondering if I’m the only one who feels the same way

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Mine is the same wheel and does exactly the same. I have tried all different settings and when i get rid of the shake there is no feeling in the car, not that there is for me on this wheel anymore, this wheel used to be fantastic, now it feels like driving on air. I just cant feel the back of the car anymore and spin all the time. Normally at the top 100 times on leader board ( not that that means anything) just not new to Forza. I had updated all drivers , firmware before the update and everything was great, now just a pile of … I have read all the posts here and so many are saying how they can feel the road more and the feeling of the car, I just feel like i am driving a hovercraft. Would love it if we had a choice of what ffb update we could use.

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Thanks. I will give it a try.

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Ya I know you like the Ovals​:smiley::smiley::smiley::smiley: You beat my My World record at that time on Daytona in the F50 Ferrari…very nice!
Anyway, I feel the bumping with the wheel you are referring to even on mt Fanatec, however I chalked it up to a new FFB measuring system ( it gets the FFB info from a different source now I believe ) and I think some of the suspension adjustments under a load are more sensitive to tuning now than they were before…a new tune may make that back and forth feel become lower. Just a thought…you have little to worry about though as I couldn’t catch you before and even harder now​:smiley::smiley::smiley::smiley::wink:

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I play with no assist, sim steering and with center spring 0 is almost impossible to even take a corner a 20km/h without the car oversteering.