My braking issues

I have had something happen to me recently that is just frustrating me to no ends. I come into a corner, usually a hairpin, and it doesn’t matter if I was on the brakes early or not, I go straight through the corner. Just had this happen on the first turn in the GT league and it caused an accident. I really like to race clean even if it means I’m towards the back of the pack, I just like the racing and don’t care about points. I do run abs and I know it will extend my braking points but in this case I was on the brakes early and nothing. No stopping power. Is there a better setting I need to look at as far as braking force for abs? I tune my own cars and usually leave it at 100% since I run abs. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I hate causing an accident especially to the faster, clean running guys.

On another note I have ran without abs but I stray away from that in the faster cars just because I have not mastered it yet.

I’ve noticed this issue with several cars that I never had with FM4. What I have been doing is softening the front and adding down force if available. I always up the brakes to 120% or more and favor the front and have learned to feather rather than jam them.

I am by no means a tuner and relied on Forza Tuning Lab spreadsheet before to help me get one dialed in. I am having to wing it now. I’d ask in the Tuners Lounge on how to correct it. Sounds like the problem isn’t necessarily the brakes and can be cured with springs and sways to get the front end to respond.

I prefer much higher brake pressures and do not use ABS average about 140-145

Are you locking up and going straight? If so that will just be practice, especially if your new to FM6 - there was something different that required user adjustment for me.

Are you talking about the car rotating under braking - if so raise decel diff, until you feel better about it or hold throttle in a bit while braking, this reduces effects of the decel diff, this is especially helpful in stock cars that you are unable to change diff on.

It happens going straight into the corner. It acts like I am locking up but there is no smoke. The car is the Lamborghini super trofeo Car. I have a Porsche that I have tuned and don’t seem to have an issue. Could this be a product of awd? I never thought of that. The car will still turn a bit and usually I will just turn out into the grass or away but I couldn’t this time. I have played with the braking pressure but I did not go nearly to 145. I will try that. Thanks for the responses!!

Is the left trigger travel working properly on your controller? Under the techo/speedo, in the bottom-right you can see the travel for brakes and throttle. Also keep all your inside deads to zero, outside to max.

I was initially going to say that in some cases this is a physics issue where the game will not let you steer as much as you like if you’re a fan of late or hard braking or even late braking to the apex. But this is something else. Check your trigger travel and deadzones. I was going to recommend upping braking pressure, but you’ve already done that. :wink:

I noticed this before, if you had a s or above put tcs on… it makes no sense but I put it on and I lose problem…

Hey man, I made a thread too, maybe i should have just posted in this one? I am on the same boat as you. Here is my post…

I am coming from GT6. Which I like alot and still play. I bought F6 just so I can run sebring and road atlanta. I also liked the graphics and controller, yada yada.

So onto the issue. I buy an Evo X, as I own one in real life, and boy was I disappointed with the handling and braking. I bought the Xbox and game Friday. And I am or was considering returning it. I also have a Thrustmaster TX on the way. So you can imagine how **** ed I was that a new video game drove like **** compared to GT6. In GT6 i felt the cars had a little to much grip, in F6 i felt like I had non. In GT6 when you changed suspension settings and had racing brakes on with race tires, you felt an extreme difference from street tires and stock brakes.

Now enter the driver customization. I gave the game one last chance today after reading some threads. So it seems I have fixed the problem. I am running no assist. Manual, no ABS, Simulation steering (with controller) 0-100 decel zones, no stability nothing. And now it feels MUCH more realistic. The +9 grip I think made the final touch. It now feels closer to a simulator. I did notice the if your are rolling 4 mph or something low like that and you have the brake applied up to 50-60% the car keeps rolling till you apply 60-70% +. Maybe adjust the decel dead zone from 0-5 or something may help.

With the ABS off, I feel the weight trasfer aspect works much better. I will have to run a back to back but im sure with ABS on i felt ZERO weight transfer. Mind you I do HPDE in real life, so I now how important it is to do so in order to go fast.

I drove the Evo X and a S2000 and it felt great. The S2000 feels snappy just as in real life, if you oversteer to much chances are its spinning out. So I am happier. I am going to put in a few more hours of play then throw the GT6 on and see the final verdict. If I feel I upgraded I will keep the X1 and TX when it comes. Or I will return both and get a T300 and save for a PC, which I am going to do anyways LOL.

I know some will say “If you want simulator go PC” Which i understand, and I will, when I have 1200 to buy a good tower. For now $300 X1 with F6 included + 500 wheel setup is my limit LOL.

So all in all it seems the F6 it trying hard to keep a balance between Arcade and Simulator. The Arcade I feel is easy to go with and please those guys. BUT PLEASE for the sake of the serious racing gamers, fans of Forza and your revenue, keep upgrading the realism of F6. Dedicate some more time for us.

You have the resources, and your right there!

From what I’m hearing your braking understeering this is caused by diving in depending on what the corner looks like or missing the braking point on the course or hard braking even if you have abs on which prevents you from steering or and this might be the possible one it might be your braking balance if your braking and understeering then you need to tune your braking balance to the rear but how you tune it depends on you and how the car feels

I played with several things. Braking balance, braking force, different controller, abs on and off, suspension settings, and then tried different cars. The conclusion I have come to for myself was the car, specifically awd. It’s the only setup that I would have it happen on. I noticed it on my A class car finally I could just recover it since the speeds were lower. Basically my fix was just to stop racing the lambo which sucks. I really liked the drive/grip off the corners that car delivered. I haven’t noticed this occur at all in any of my rwd cars, well unless it’s my fault. There are those instances of being punted through the corner by whoever is behind me but that is another thread lol. Now to just get the fear of my brakes not working and running through the corner again out of my system. I am braking too early and since I got bumped to elite I am getting my butt handed to me.

sigh…

Turning brake pressure up (slider moves right) above 100% does not help you brake/slow quicker. Your brakes are capable of transmitting stopping power to the ground ONLY if your tires have traction. Turning the brakes up, makes your brakes lock sooner. Turning your brake pressure down (slider moves left) increases your (brake) trigger travel. Doing this allows you a wider range of movement, allowing you to more easliy ride the ragged edge of brake lock up.

So, moving the brake pressure slider to the right, makes your brakes feel more like a light switch. Instant off. Instant on. Moving the brake pressure silder to the left makes your brakes feel much more like a light dimmer switch. More analog, you can control the point of lock up much easier.

My brake pessure varies according to each car, or class of car. My number plated racing cars, all have much higher downforce, much bigger brakes, and much better tire traction/grip. With these cars, i run my brake pressure up around 80%. On my lightweight, no downforce lower calssed cars, I tend to run about 73-74%. As for balance, that is very personal. I tend to trail brake. I trail my brakes on, after turn in. For this reason, I tend to run my balance toward the rear. Usually about 48-47%. With 911’s (rearward weight bias) I run 46-45%. On certain cars with extreme amounts of rear downforce (1970 Dodge Daytona), and little front downforce, I tend to also run the brake balance toward the rear a bit more (46-45%).

Brake balance toward the rear, keeps the fronts from locking up too early, but it can casue the rears to lock up a bit earlier. This gives the car a really uncomfortable, loose feeling heading into corners. I can deal with that, just fine, though, some popel, not so much. If your car is locking up the rears during braking, throw brake balance to the front a click or two until it stops. Also might be a good idea to move Differntial DECELL to the right a bit, too (about 50% of accell is good rule of thumb).

If you are locking the front brakes, then throw the balance toward the back. Decrease brake pressure if you are locking all four wheels. Note, you do want to be able to lock the wheels, you just don’t want it to happen, until your brake pedal (or brake trigger) is almost at full travel. Increase brake pressure, if you cannot lock the wheels; increase it until you can just lock the wheels.

Also, in high downforce cars the effect is really dramaitic. As you slow down, downforce decreases. this also removes tire traction. This is why brakes lock up at slower speeds on high downforce cars. Proper braking technique (in Forza, and IRL) is to slowly let up on the brakes as the cars slows, and loses downforce. This is true, even on NO downforce cars, but on high DF cars the effect is really dramatic.

I appreciate the condescending “sigh” at the beginning of your answer but I think you missed the issue. The brakes didn’t lock up in these instances. Literally I would fly right through the corner regardless of braking early, on time, or late. Regardless of braking pressures, settings, or anything else I messed with. I could run 10 races and it might happen 3-4 times and always at the worst of times. I did test laps on my own and found it happening at more than just the hairpins I initially thought. I could still steer the car and that saved my bacon several times but it also meant I could not confidently dive underneath for a pass in fear of this happening and my taking one or more people out. So the fix is that I found it occurred almost solely on awd cars and stopped driving the high powered ones. It stinks but I can live with it for now. It’s a new week with new leagues and have other challenges to face, like figuring out why I can’t drive a mid engine rwd car worth a crap. See you don’t have to bash me with cute little remarks to begin your answer, I am plenty good at being my biggest critic.

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I like you. Nice post!

The lambo in stock tune (season 1) was a bit squirrelly under braking.
Did you set deadzones 0-100 on accel and brake triggers on controller, default is not 0-100. Most of that season was stock tune and it was a matter of getting used to it.

Softer suspension and lower tirepressures in tune would make the lambo brake better for you but you really didn’t have that option until week 3. I missed it was about the lambo.

The new one huracan is very loose and real easy to rotate the car under deceleration, a bit too easy for my liking, make sure to keep a bit of throttle applied to ease that tendency. When we are allowed to tune I’m definately taking the Decel diff up a notch because it’s killing my consistency as well.

Sorry about the sigh. That was directed more toward hte people saying to turn brake pressure way, whay up. This will not help. It will only increase the likelihood of a driver locking their brakes. I honestly, don’t know how to fix the issue you are seeing. I am not seeing it. not on any car, awd, rwd, fwd.

For example, in any of my GT3 / GLTM / GTE car’s (almost any R801 to R900), I set my brakes to 80% pressure, and 47-45% balance. Going into turn 1 at RoAm, I brake when the number four sign is at my left door. I downshift to third, turn in, trail oof the brakes, and I am set to power through the apex, and pass just about anybody. In turn 3 at RoAm (the 110 left), I have to brake at the first sign (4 or 5, I think), I am on the outside, my competition almost always tries to outbrake me there, they overshoot, and I pass cleanly through the corner after they whoosh by. My point is that wit hthe aforementioned setup, I can outbrake just about anybody in the game. I have learned that I brake so well with that set up, I have have to change y driving style to keep folks from rear ending me, becasue I am slowing so dramatically.

Also, liek the others have said, a front end on the loose side helps, too. Add downforce, and make sure your alignment is not whack. A goofy alignement can make brakes feel non-existant. ( I tend to run 1.9 to 2.1 up front, and 1.0 to 1.5 i nthe rear).

Good luck.

One more thing, as Jackie Stewart (and many other drivers) said, don’t race the other dirivers, race the track. At any track, in a given car, you can only go so quickly. You are working to reach that time.

It also means NOT to base your driving decisions on the other drivers. Use your own braking, turn in, and shif points on each track. If you don’t have brake, turn in, and shift points, then learning them will help you go faster. Don’t brake when other drivers brake. Brake at your brake points. Have turn in points, shift points, and brake points for each car, at each track.

I will have to admit I am a total noob and still race with the racing line on although I rarely follow it. I use it to remind me what is next on some of the tracks I don’t race often enough and am just too lazy to turn it off on the tracks I do know. I really enjoy racing the faster cars (enjoyed the heck out of the p class league a few weeks ago). When I went testing by myself with the lambo I set very specific braking points for myself and found it was very unpredictable coming down to some of the sharper corners. Why? I have no clue and I have just brushed the lambo off for now. This makes me sad because I really am a big gear head outside of the game and I think I have always had a poster of a lambo on my wall growing up as a kid. I think the first car I bought (when I had enough credits) in this game was a lambo just because. I will dive back into it and retune this thing. I could have easily messed it all up myself. I’ll take all of you suggestions and work it out. I really appreciate the help and a big thanks for keeping the post positive, that seems to be a rare thing on this board sometimes. No worries about the “sigh” thing, I got it as I speak fluent sarcasm!!

I think it’s just one of those cars that requires VERY smooth inputs. When I initially drove it, it Was a handful. But after 4-5 laps around Spa, I got the hang of it. I actually like having cars like that pop up now and then, and force me to really focus on my inputs. Occasionally, before league racing, I will take one of the high powered American Muscke cars out for a test drive at Circuit of the Americas or Spa, with no assists. After running 10-12 clean laps, my inputs are “calibrated” LOL, and I am able to perform much better in multiplayer.
I am so glad I dropped ABS a lng time ago. It robs that “brake feel” that is critical to good braking and more consistent braking points. Just my opinion though.

Peace

I have an idea that may be causing this and it has not been brought up yet. I race with a wheel but if you are using a controller ( the new Elite one ) is your trigger lock on? The green lever on the bottom of the controller. There is one for both triggers and it is designed to stop the trigger ar Aprox 1/2 way depressed. It works good for some shooting games with a semi auto gun but in racing you sometimes need more than 1/2 the brake. Just a thought. This is only on the Elite controller though.
If this is the case just slide the green switch to the other position and see if that helps.

Aha, I don’t think this is a tuning issue. I think you have a hardware/controller issue.

I think you may have controler problem. Make sure your batteries are full, your controller FW is updated, and you have reset/grenaded your Xbox/Internet. Somewhere on the forums, there is a fix for this, I believe it is a calbration issue or something. The controller, Xbox, and software lose their sync or something. Search around, and I am sure you will find the fix/workaround.

I hope your problem is simply an hardware issue. for me, I’ve learned a hell of a lot from this thread. I also admire the honesty from the original poster. As a newbie myself I find the Huracan very difficult to handle. I’ve been promoted in the Lambo league and also have anxiety issues of taking others out. The Gallardo was different and more enjoyable to drive. The Huracan I now see as a challenge. I will definitely try some of the breaking tuning mentioned and test it out. Thanks all.