Multiple editions of the same general vehicle?

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This is a bit of a very picky question and request on my behalf. I thought I could have posted it in the wishlist, but I feel it is topic-worthy because of how specific it is.

Looking at the car list so far for this game, and the car list of previous games, one thing sort of popped into my mind. Yes, you seem to have one car to represent a general vehicle, but what are the chances we might see more than one edition for the same car?

I’m not making sense. Let me put it this way.

As one example, you have the 2009 S2000 CR confirmed, correct? The Club Racer version? What are the chances that we will see the GT? Or just the regular S2000, or maybe even the first generation as well?

I’m sort of picky about that kind of thing, and it would be a big nod to the collectors if the Club Racer, which does NOT look like the standard S2000, was not the ONLY S2000 we see in the game.

It’s not just the S2000 I’m talking about, which is why I think this is topic-worthy. Hear me out.

You have the 85 Trueno AE86 confirmed for the game, correct? That’s great, but is there any chance we would see the Sprinter Trueno’s twin brother the Corolla Levin to sort of complete the set? So it isn’t JUST the Sprinter Trueno as your select AE86 for the whole title?

I could go on about the different editions of different vehicles, and even make a full list, but if I did just that, I might as well have just added it to the vehicle wish-list.

My point, on behalf of the OCD tuners, gearheads, collectors and enthusiasts out there that get REALLY specific about which edition of the vehicle it is that they are given to drive, please, let there be more than one ‘edition’ for each general vehicle. I understand that you can’t just shovel out every car and model in the world, and liscensing is expensive, but it would be a great nod in our direction if not everybody had to be stuck with JUST the 2000 SVT Cobra R edition if they wanted something of that generation of mustang, among others.

I know that many people don’t see the point and value of making this a thing, but trust me, you will turn the heads of SO many more guys that “know what they are talking about” if not every general vehicle HAS to be just it’s specific performance /racing version.

Anyways, this is just some friendly advice. I’m pretty pleased with the car list, but it would be appreciated beyond feelings if multiple editions of the same general vehicle made it into the game.

One other example that I could have talked about with was the fact that the 2011 RX-8 R3 seems to be the game’s ONLY RX-8 for the whole title, and the inclusion of later models of it or even performance-racing versions would have been great to have as ‘options’ so not everybody had to have the 2011 one if they wanted a RX-8.

Hopefully that was easy enough to understand, I’m not sure if I made sense but I tried. This is my first thread here, you guys seem like a good crowd and I hope this concern is accepted well :slight_smile:

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Short answer - Play Gran Turismo

Long answer - This is what customization is for. Many cars in Forza allow you to equip specific body mods that resemble trim/performance packages available from the factory. A good example of this is the 1995 Cobra R Mustang in the first Horizon where through aero upgrades you could make the car look like a Saleen S351 or a “normal” Ford Mustang GT. You also have to realize that the game developers most likely do not have unlimited time, budget and resources to devote to the game. The solution to this problem is to create a balanced car list that will satisfy the most amount of players. You can’t realistically expect them to add half a dozen variants of a select number of vehicles, while omitting hundreds of other models and manufacturers altogether.

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You are entirely correct, and I obviously do not expect them to do this, but I’m saying that, even as DLC, and even if it’s just for the more popular vehicles, it will definitely throw the game on top. Even if it is just one edition of the vehicle that they add.

The reason why I asked was because Forza 4 had what I was talking about. Your short answer should have been for me to go play FM4.

But there is only ONE RX-8 this time around and ONE Mustang from that late-90’s early-2000’s generation, and just getting the option of more than one other than the SVT Cobra R would do me in just with the two vehicles.

I also wish they had older RX7’s in FH2 but my requests for that side of the pond belong on the wishlist and not here.

I know they can’t shovel out every car in the world, I’m not sure if I remembered to add that into the OP, and if I forgot i’m sorry. I didn’t mean to leave the wrong message like that.

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The Gran Turismo comment wasn’t supposed to be serious and was referring to Polyphony Digital’s tendency of featuring 50 variations of (insert JDM car here) in a single title.

I get what you’re saying, but out of 200+ total cars there are already 4 different Mustang models in the game and they haven’t even revealed the complete car list yet, not to mention possible DLC. I can’t speak for PG/T10, but I would imagine they are probably considering adding other vehicles to the roster before adding another version of a 1999-2004 Mustang.

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With any luck, they might re-add the 95 Cobra R again. I just don’t want the '00 to be the only mustang of that timeframe give or take 5 years.

I know I’m acting ungrateful, and believe me, I am more than impressed with what I’ve seen. In fact, I bought a Xbox 1 just to get this game.

The devs don’t have to do anything, I get that. And on top of the cars they haven’t revealed, there is still DLC to see if there is cars there I would squeal for, which I’m most certain that there will be. I have nothing but trust in these guys. They have tuning and drivetrain changing back, which is already more than enough of a reason for me come back to the series. I missed FM5 but that was it. This game is going to be great.

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I’ve always thought this. I mean there is almost every example out there of the same car in different iterations, and going the GT route could work, but would require an incredible amount of time and effort. with the community base they’re building, it might be worth asking where they feel the best places to integrate into the specific car communities and forums could be to get an even better idea of what car enthusiasts [and gamers] all agree.

one thing we like is being unique. we all love our unique cars in Forza with their paint jobs. but why do they limit to body limitations? Think of most cars. they have newer models, with different aero packages, trim levels, options. Imagine for instance the RX7 FD3s - The car had 4 different factory spoilers in its life! it had 3 different front bumpers, 2 different rear bumpers and many more optional extras such as lips and what not. Think of the Mclaren 12C? The options on that for a lot of carbon fibre panels and the Aero package on, well, every bumper as well. W

hat I’m saying is what if we had the option to add all those in to make our cars to the generation we love? It would simply require them to model the various bumpers, which I’m sure would encourage the community to get involved. I’ve seen people offering on these forums to send over their car parts in the past!

Its one thing asking them to model whole new cars, as that requires a hell of a lot of time, new measurements of the whole car, chassis and performance and sounds etc. simply adding a few visual modification options makes an incredible amount of difference to that feeling of having a unique garage, and when people make a real iteration of their real life cars, or something similar, it really helps with the pitch of “Car lovers in to gamers”. side of things.

Maybe for forza 6 or horizon 3 we might see the different models with respective option levels put in as well, but i do think it is something that would make an incredible amount of difference to us the car lovers. [And means they can simply do car releases like “Fox body mustangs” and “Honda civic EK”. It wouldn’t be the most difficult idea to implement and would only require 3D mapping of a few car body panels, or even just adding in some areas re-textured as carbon fiber like the winglets on the Forza bumper?

I’m deep into wishlist territory and blabbering on but it’s something I would drop a lot of money into forza DLC if it meant we could maintain the car list like it is at the moment but slowly do community lead polls for what people want to see in the next DLCs and would really help their whole community vibe, their unique creation pitch, and pretty much everything they’re saying and we want.

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Of course if they just let us remove the spoiler on the S2000 CR then that would be one of these things done already, just like that.

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Previous Forza titles had at least twice as many cars as we have now, partly because the current games require more space for graphics, physics, and other features. They’re more likely to include omitted vehicles than to include a different trim model or version of the same car just so you guys can “collect” them.

For the record, I still think this could have been in one of the wishlist threads.

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I will talk in general terms, mentioning specific cars is wishlisty.

I like special edition versions of cars like we have had in previous Forzas and Horizon. For me customisation is not for this. I want the special edition cars added to the game.

With the various normal trim versions I would only want it if its more than just cosmetic eg if there is a v6 and v8 version of a car.

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A little issue I have with that is the fact that the ‘performance versions’ they have released are VERY specific to boot. Take Forza Horizon 1 for example. On the record, I wouldn’t say they had a standard NSX in the game. No, they chose the high-performance model, the NSX-R GT, which had a lot of visual differences from just about every other NSX they could have possibly chose. I know for a fact that people complained about that. Yes, it is probably one of the best editions of the NSX you can get, but it wasn’t the standard NSX that a load of people wanted, so they could upgrade it and make it their own more thoroughly.

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I may need to clarify my point.

I would prefer 1 standard edition plus 1 special edition rather than having two standard editions (unless the standard editions are quite different eg the v6 and v8 example).

In the Horizon 1 example you mention I would not have anything against adding a standard NSX to the list. I would not want two standard NSXs though if it meant the GT model was to miss out.

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we got all the cars we wanted.

Well… yeah.

Sure, I’d rather have my 5th gen Nissan Maxima 20th Anniversary Edition in the game or no Maxima at all. Or the 1980s Pantera - the GT5-S, not the 1970s base model we’ve already seen in the game. And so on. You may not have been around to see it, but in the old FM.net forums there were over 14,000 posts in the FM4 car wish list thread. That’s 14,000 lists, not just 14,000 cars. And even while you can imagine some overlap in the car models requested, consider how many cars have appeared in Forza games: If you look at the FM3, FM4, FM5, and FH rosters and strike out the race cars, you’re left with a list of just about 700 different production car models. And that includes ‘different’ car models like the 2009 and 2012 Dodge Challengers, and the Platinum Motorsports version of the Bentley Continental.

In one sentence you acknowledged the limitations of reality and then just tossed that out and hoped for the fantasy. Putting all the cars in would be a great nod to everyone, but whether you’re talking different editions of the same model or different models altogether, you can’t ignore the problem of more demand than the developers can supply. Here are two articles worth a read that mention how the developers go about selecting cars to include in the game:
http://www.totalxbox.com/65965/were-not-holding-cars-back-for-forza-5-dlc-says-turn-10-people-misunderstand-the-way-these-things-work/
http://www.goodgearguide.com.au/article/534503/forza_motorsport_5_taps_cloud_innovation/

And here’s the Forza Horizon 2 Car Wish List thread. Please add to it so your specific car models can be considered.

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