I’m kinda confused, recently bought a shifter and t3pa pro pedals to use with TX wheel. Went into the menu of Forza 6 and selected Manual w/clutch. but it makes no difference even when I don’t press the clutch pedal before I change gear, the game still changes gear. Is this a known issue or am I doing something wrong.
It will still change gear if you don’t press the clutch, but the gear change will make a grinding noise, it will be a slower shift, and will damage the transmission if you are using simulation damage
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Also if you just press the clutch and shift at the same time with out ever letting go of the throttle it’s actually faster for 99% of the cars on the game and you won’t get damaged.
This is is 100% not meaning to offend, start anything. Just an opinion of mine. Using the clutch is faster, that’s completely undeniable. Thats all well and good. If it was used as a clutch and NOT just an extra button to be pressed as you shift.
I have read so many time on these forums about how switching to the “A” button and hit that when you shift is all you need to do. Well, for the above mentioned reason, in my opinion, should tat make a car THAT much faster?
If there isn’t the letting off of the gas and you’re just holding the gas down, hitting the A and B buttons or A and X button simultaneously while never letting off the gas, why should that be seconds faster than an UPGRADED clutch and just manual? You can hear it on everyone’s replays, the engine bouncing off the Rev limiter whenever they shift.
As I said, this is just an opinion, my point of view. I fully expect to be pounced upon for it. As I see it, if I sacrifice PI to upgrade a clutch, which in some cases can save a bit of weight along with an upgraded clutch, why should there be the disparity in performance.
Yes, I admit that I am not nearly as good as you fast guys, not only because of this clutch thing, but I just don’t drive as consistant and smooth as alot of you. That I can deal with and isn’t a huge deal to me. When it bothers me is when the only difference in the laps are someone hitting 2 buttons over one. I hate that rev bouncing, never off the gas sound. When I have used clutch, i have left it on the shoulder button and upshifting works great. I actually lift, shift and go like one would really do. Except that for example, nascar on road courses rarely use the clutch once the start driving. I’ve seen videos. Down shifting
And heal toe work come into play alot though.
Downshifting with the shoulder button is alot more awkward than the dang mashing the 2 buttons technique. That tends to be the reason I stop using it. Along with the family to that when I am using clutch I get so wrapped up in shifting right that I don’t hit my life especially and braking points, etc.
Ok, i have vented about this enough. Again, I’m not seeking to start anything with everybody. I understand that the 2 button thing is how it’s been done forever and that’s what most people do. I just wish that there wasn’t the disparity. The majority of tuners speak of upgrading the clutch and a waste of PI. As I said before, If I sacrifice PI somewhere else, like tire width or rim size or whatever, and upgrade my clutch, the manual, no clutch SHOULD be as fast/quick as someone with no clutch upgrade that just hits 2 buttons instead of 1. Thats why I am puzzled and frustrated over this whole clutch thing.
I low I am in the minority, maybe the only one, but I had to share my perspective.
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Fully agree, the clutch mechanic in this game is just a gimmick and it is quite frustrating.
If they were able to make using the clutch realistic to the point that not using the clutch could be considered an “assist” it wouldn’t be as bad, but as it is 99% of the players using the clutch use it in an unrealistic way.
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Not sure the gain is seconds.
On the slower cars with slow clutches sure the improvement is larger than with modern cars but still nto sure its seconds.
Out of everything I wrote, THAT is all you took from it? And yes, on tracks such as Bathurst or Yas where you’re coming out of a slow turn and heading into a long, several shift straight, the difference can be easily 1-2 seconds.
Yes because I am sick of seeing myths about certain things being so much faster than other things.
It is not the case that a clutch time that is 2 seconds quicker than your no clutch time at Bathurst or Yas is because of the clutch.
Upgrading clutch negates the need to shift manual with clutch at the expense of valuable pi for your build. So if you feel you would rather upgrade the clutch and run manual you can and in theory could be just as fast as those running clutch, but you wont be because you are losing approximately 5pi that could be used elsewhere to make your build better. It has been said before and i will say it again, build and driver skill is the most important thing. Tuning does not net you the time a proper build will.
I have found while using a wheel and pedal setup that not letting of the gas doesn’t really help, fully depressing and releasing a pedal is not as fast as tapping a button and trying to shift the stick at lighting speed is very tiresome. On a controller sure it might net you some extra thousandths but on the wheel with pedal and stick it’s kind of moot, just my 2 cents
When we’re speaking of maybe 5 PI over an entire build, that shouldn’t have that much of an effect. If I go from a 335 tire to a 295 to find that PI for example, having an upgraded clutch should, in theory make me just as fast on a long straight however, thats where this whole clutch thing comes into play. It’s not because I don’t have enough rubber on the road, thats still a huge tire, or not enough horsepower. I lose time because I’m not mashing 2 buttons. I have run with friends with myself using cars with more HP and been overtaken on straights like Bathurst or Indy, long straight roads only because they were using clutch. Considering that generally in the turns I am JUST as fast if not catching back up, until the long staights come back and there goes clutchy!! Thats the issue I have. As I said in that 1st post, this is my opinion and I definitely count on being the only one that feels this way. I also fully except that I am being bullheaded about it. I personally feel that hitting 2 buttons instead of one, and never lifting should make a “better” driver with better times. There are so many different ways to build, tune, drive that alot comes to preference. I just wish that this clutch thing was just a little bit more even. Thats all.
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Sorry, sincerley, not trying to continually beat on this horse that hasn’t moved in years. Just thought of a great example. A couple weekends ago a few of us forum guys were working on a couple drag cars, 1/4 mile. It was the Alfa GTA, S Class 4.5 V8. Built with race clutch. 2 tenths at least quicker when using the clutch as opposed to not using the clutch. WITH race clutch, still that much of a difference. That doesn’t seem right to me. But again, I’m a stubborn old man that isn’t good with changing things I’m used to. I will just continue to be the slow guy I suppose. Dont worry, I usually don’t race online in the public wreck fests so I won’t be in any of you guys’ way!! Although I’m sure it’s good to have people to pass that don’t try to take other people out, lol. I do my absolute best race clean, i promise that!! Clutch or no clutch, lol.
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Are you sure?
You need to remove the variables. Maybe he is getting a better launch, maybe he is shifting at a more optimal shift point. Was there any tuning to the gears?
Do me a favor, take 1 car to the drag strip. Completely stock, put tcs on do 1 with manual and add the race clutch, and 1 with stock and do manual with cluch. Make sure you shift both of them at the same point (use redline just for an easy reference). When launching mash the gas dont try to do a controlled launch. The times should be dang near equal.
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These were my tuned drag cars. I will never say I’m the “Great Drag Tuner”, but thats what I have spent an enormous amount of time on. I have a tuners garage thread that is all about my drag cars and how I tune along with a list of all my cars.
As far as that GTA, it was literally a few runs with manual no clutch, ran 8.2 at best. Then exact same tune, manual with clutch and immediately got an 8.0. There is probably a little more left as I’m don’t normally run clutch.
Conversely, the week before, we were working on the Challenger Hellcat and the clutch issue wasn’t a factor. From what I can figure, if it’s a newer, paddle shift type car, clutch isnt as imperative. I had brought it up and my cohort thought he’d show clutch was faster and with that car, it didn’t make a difference.
I have heard that modern cars in the game generally aren’t as clutch/no clutch sensitive but as I enjoy muscle cars and alot of the older cars, I end up on the wrong end of things when it comes to that. And, as I said, I have learned to deal with being slower due to my stubbornness. Maybe someday, mashing 2 buttons won’t feel like the Forza equivalent of “Quick Scoping”, ruined call of duty ( along with alot of other things) but, Oh how I hate quick scopers!!! Not saying I hate all the button mashing clutch users, lol. Just realized how that sounded. Just wish it wasn’t an issue. Whatever happened to a sequential gear box?!
Even on my wheel I run with auto clutch on because I can’t clutch, shift, and release the clutch as fast as a person with a controller can just simultaneously slap 2 buttons. There also isn’t any travel in the A button so it’s impossible to screw the shift up by not going on or off the clutch smoothly or quickly enough. But this has gotten me wondering how much running manual with clutch effects something with a sequential gearbox versus just manual.
Guess I’ll jump in on beating on the horse… keep in mind what I’m about to say doesn’t necessarily apply to circuit racing, because of all the advantages of using a clutch on a circuit does have…
In the instance dead Zeppelin was referring to on the Hellcat, I was the one trying to prove to him that manual with clutch was faster. Ended up finding that on that particular car in a straight line the manual without clutch was noticeably quicker. Not as much as vice Versa, but noticeable. One thing I’ve noticed is if you use in car cam and watch the shifting, if the driver shifts at steering wheel (paddle shifter) the car is gonna run better straight line with just manual. Floor shift hands, better off using manual w clutch. I suppose the forza physics engine dings you slightly for using manual w clutch with sequential tranny’s “in my opinion”
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Without the clutch, you should be getting damage to your tranny.
With the peddle-shifter you don’t even need the clutch right? Do you have the flappy-pedals on the wheel?
I’m curious - do you get the same wierd sound on the downshifts with using a clutch as the controller, where you almost hear no bark or downshifting sound from the car?
Shifting on the wheel works the same on both wheel and controller, if clutch is on you need to clutch to avoid damaged and slower shift times.
When using manual w/clutch the game no longer rev matches the downshifts, you hear the dragging of the tyres as they match to the new RPM of the engine, were manual w/o clutch has a very audible throttle blip on downshifts, or ‘bark’ as you say.
Interesting… and strange all the while. In real cars, you always hear an audible bark on the downshifts, particularly if it happens to be a sporty high HP car you’re driving. So in Forza, you will never hear that “throttle blip sound” or bark as long as you downshift using man/w clutch?
You can still make it bark but you have to do it manually (heel and toe), even in cars that should do it automatically.