When you play Ovals like Indy and you do not use a manual w/clutch if you do not use it you are done by the 1st lap. For the most part if nobody screws up you are left hoping to catch someone’s draft. Or of course maybe a fast tune will help you catch back up but, it makes it a lot easier just to use the clutch and not have to worry about trying to catch up.
If your car has to downshift in a corner on the Oval and not using a clutch? Fahget about it…
The down shifting is my most difficult thing as i really don’t like the button mashing. Thats why I prefer to leave the cluth button as the shoulder button. Up shifting is fine, takes a couple races to get warmed up with it, but works great when I use it.
Downshifting however, I’m a mess. It’s very hard to brake properly with one finger, clutch for each downshift smoothly with another finger. Thats when I start thinking about the shiftin, not driving and losing tons of time.
As I said, this is one case when I will conceded being slower simply so I can enjoy the game. I WILL use clutch with drag, if it is a car the works better with it.
I started using the left shoulder button for the clutch like I did in FM4 and I found d that I do not like using the shoulder button for clutch with the XB1 controller like I did with the 360 controller. By chance I was talking to a guy about it during a race and he told me to remap the button config to the green A button for clutch see the difference and wow it does make it difference. I cannot understand why I never thought of doing it this way.
Also for drag racing in FM4 I would remap the clutch to the left trigger so I could slip the clutch off the start. If you get used to doing it it really helps a lot with cars that like to spin off the line. I have yet to do it in FM6 though.
The clutch is a stupid gimmick introduced in FM3 to reward “gamers” for contorting their fingers more than casual players because “skillz” or some nonsense. Moving it to the “A” button negates any extra effort and now just makes the cars sound like crap (and faster) and makes gear tuning unnecessary in most cases.
I totally agree that it is a gimmick. And it is a couple of tenths faster. But it is aggravating! This a basically shifting with the clutch with the throttle wide open. This used to be called “power shifting”… If you did this in real life, you’d never make it to the end of a race because you’d grenade your engine, clutch, tranny, or any combination of the three! 
Most of the cars in forza are older and the options they came with are manual or automatic, which was slower. Manual used to mean it was w/ variable clutch as there was no tiptronic shifting. So unless we grow another finger that can control a clutch variably this is the best they can do unless they remove clutch. I’ve played dirt rally and guess how they set up clutch.? Same way.
I bang 13 gears with out clutch everyday for 12hrs, does that count?..lol… ,-P
And you still want to drive more when you get home? You 'da MAN!!! lol!
I know right!!! No life…lol…
I’m pretty addicted to this myself, W4RLOCK!
Ok. Just a myth. A myth that has the vast majority of people using clutch. Myths and egos, where would Forza be without them.
I am not saying it is not quicker. I am saying it is not multiple seconds quicker.
Egos get in the way of people realising what is holding them back.
Seen it so many times.
Too many people say people are quicker because they use assists, because they don’t, because they use a wheel or controller etc etc.
Whilst all of that has some impact don’t kid yourself that it is multiple seconds.
Do people topping leaderboards use clutch (or decide in some cars not to use clutch…yes thats right) because its quicker? Most of the time probably yes. But they are doing it to gain tenths not whole seconds.
EDIT: I am confident that if you forced Rayzer to stop using the clutch he would not be slower by seconds.
If someone told you that they just ate like a horse, would you lecture them on how a horse eats and that no person could ever eat like a horse?
If you actually READ what I wrote in my first post, you would see alot more than what you quoted as far as this “seconds faster” business. It seems you are dwelling on ONE tiny little aspect of what my point is.
I never said that we’re talking 5, 10 seconds. And absolutely yes, on tracks that have a very long straight, like the tracks I gave examples of, the difference can be 1-2 seconds whether that’s something you want to agree with or not. For goodness sake, in one of my posts I gave an example of a drag tuning, exact same car, exact same tune, 2 tenths fast over a 1/4 mile. Add up for the 2 long straights at Bathurst and that’s at least a second if not 2.
In several of my posts I pointed out that what I was writing is simply my opinion and and that there are many other things that make me slower. When I wrote “seconds faster” I was making a point. As I did not give accurate times or state anything specifically, I intended for it to be understood as a plain and simple statement to make my point. Ever hear of exageration. (And slight exageration in this instance at that) I didn’t quite expect to be so vigorously challenged about this whole “seconds faster” statement, being that THAT in itself was not my point.
And in general, alot of the examples of things that you were sick of hearing like turning assists of is faster being a myth. When the computer isn’t braking for you, you’re faster. Assist. When the computer is deciding that your tires aren’t going to grip, traction and stability, you are slower. There are countless threads on these forums that ALL say the same thing. Not just me.
I read your whole post and chose to comment on the multiple seconds thing.
Whether clutch is beneficial or not and by how much is an important part of this conversation.
In some cars clutch is no quicker or even slower (usually modern cars or race cars), the recent rivals events revealed that.
In most production cars there is “some” benefit from using clutch.
Where I say there are lots of myths let me rephrase - there are lots of myths and exaggerations.
The benefit of clutch is measurable (it is not opinion) but it differs from car to car. If we were talking the oldest stock E class car then the benefit will be at its biggest. It can be measured. And maybe you could see seconds. But in the vast majority of cars the benefit of clutch even on long straight tracks will not be as high as you think, I am confident in saying that.
EDIT: If people want to improve their lap time by 1-2 seconds I would not look to turning on the clutch as the solution.
Alright, for the most part, I have seen you and I agreeing to a certain degree over the last however long on these forums about various subjects whether it’s been horizon or motorsport. I probably took this a bit too harshly. Sadly, there are a few forza long timers that post in ways that seem to just put people in their place or tell people they’re wrong. A specific insident has me a bit edgie so I tend to get defensive when those types tell me that my OPINION is wrong or things of that type. I KNOW I am not one of the fastest, I will never claim to be. But I do feel that I have a somewhat good understanding of cars, tuning and builds to a certain degree and 99% of the people that I interact with here are very cool and quick to help.
As far as this clutch thing, my biggest point that I was trying to make is that to me, the times that I have spent the PI to upgrade the clutch, generally on the lower class muscle cars or cars that would fit into the standard stick shift catagory, it should make a difference when compared to those that use clutch and do that button mashy thing.
Where I got my “seconds” from is from spending a great deal of time building and tuning on bathurst when Greek Sniper was running his multiclass hot lap challenge thing. He is an insanely fast driver in just about anything. But I found as I was building that when I ran a car without clutch my acceleration greatly suffered compared to when I used clutch. Me driving, not him. I am guessing alot of that has to do with my car choice, as I said, I prefer muscle cars and more the older, slower cars. What can I say, I am old and slow too. Bathurst in particular has long, drawn out hills that when not using clutch gives a noticeable drop in speed for each gear change. Over the entire track I would lose close to 2-3 seconds.
As I know i am in no danger of getting a top 50 time, ever, I don’t worry too much about it. It is just frustrating that the disparity exists, even when upgrading clutch. It more so, TO ME, when some act as though it is “skill” using the clutch when it is just mashing 2 buttons at once. Again, only my crotchety old opinion. When I switch to clutch I find myself not enjoying the game and thinking too much about hitting buttons. I’d rather just drive and have fun.
To put it bluntly, my whole argument is basically me just whining. No ill will to anyone, not trying to say my way is how it needs to be. Saw the thread going about the clutch and thought I’d throw in my 2 cents.
Older muscle cars will see a larger gain.
If I can find the time I will run around Bathurst but most of my time is on real world stuff and Neverwinter these days.
Sorry if I came across harshly.
Muscle cars will see a bigger difference than some others and maybe there is a car or 2 that has a quirky thing about it where gains or losses are more than normal.