Turn ten are experts at automated systems for anylising driving behaviour ,i.e. the drivators.surely some of this technology could be used to detect crashers, and kick them.
Try not to think of this idea so much as getting rid of trolls but as a way to level the playing field and make lobbies more competitive.
For example: theres no doubt that people who drive with all the assists turned off (and know how) leave the people who even drive with auto and abs in the dust. How nice would it be for the people who drive with all the assists on to have a chance at winning. I really do feel sorry for them and think its kind of unfair.
A license system really would be a good way to keep things segregated and maybe, if done a certain way, the license system could almost act as a tutorial to help teach people how to drive.
There are flaws in the concept but I think with the new generation of consoles, cloud power and the genius that can come out of game developers, it could work, and I think it would make the online experience much more enjoyable for everyone, not just the top 1%.
Not to sound like a jerk, but how is it unfair to anybody? If an NFL team is losing all the time against other NFL teams, they don’t let the other team go play college/high school teams just so they have a shot at winning.
I guess I just don’t buy into the theory of “everybody deserves to be a winner” that seems to be going around these days.
I don’t think there is a great solution. Griefers / trolls will do their thing pretty much no matter what.
I would rather play with faster drivers even if I’m not as fast now, helps you improve. You don’t get better by running laps against weaker racers. I don’t mind getting wrecked if someone is making a serious effort to run a race. It happens its part of racing in real life and I expect it to happen in the game. Same with rubbing and bumping, competitors get heated up and things happen.
The Xbox live report system is good, but flawed (takes time, and if other options aren’t available then it matches you with negatively rated players any ways.
The solution could be two fold.
First you implement a kick / vote kick option so players can boot D-Bags and trolls.
Secondly have data recording. If people aren’t running the race, but causing wrecks (can be pulled and analyzed from the race data (lap count and collision). and mark those people as trolls/wreckers. Put them with the like minded through a classification system.
I’ve never seen a big enough problem from it to be concerned personally
but you could also add a third tier to the solution
and make an option players can check to be part of a “ghost lobby” (even though I see that as what the rivals races are for personally).
I remember struggling for a license on one of the early gran tourismo games it involved a hill climb a hair pin an adverse camber and a dodge viper. You had to shift the weight before breaking it was a chore but after a ton of practice I could hit it correctly every time. Something like that would only help the drivers in multiplayer. As would a tuning license series
A license system as you’ve asked would dilute the player base and segregate it.
The best way to get better is to race and be around better people. This would never, ever happen if there was a license system to put people into an area they would never learn in.
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Unfortunately no one is ever willing to teach so it wouldn’t really matter much
Really? I know a lot of people willing to teach, your attitude to others probably makes them not want to give you the time of day. Loco went to help you in your VW thread and tell you they were good. Your response?
To which two different people thought an apology was in order, I know you’ve looked at the thread but you’ve avoided responding to it like the plague. I can go find more instances if you’d like.
No one is going to teach you anything if you aren’t willing or won’t listen. I see nothing BUT helpful hands on the forum.
That guy had an attitude from the start. Id apologize if he wasnt being so condescending about it.
What I mean by teach people is reaching out to the guy whos sliding off at every corner in an rs7.
If done a certain way, a license system could not only keep those people from ruining races but maybe act as a tutorial to teach them how to race.
Those of us who already know how could skip the tutorial and go straight to the final test.
You wouldnt want a person who doesn’t know how to drive, that slams into the back of you at every turn, to be on the roads in real life right? Thats why we have driving tests and driving licenses.
Now im not saying that if they cant pass, they cant drive. They just have to drive in a different lobby until they can learn to drive.
I’ve been playing Forza for a number of years now, and have only raced online once. The main reason being that I’ll accidentally wreck someone and ruin their whole night. And sure enough - the one time I did race online, I came around a corner and a guy had spun out, and I didn’t react quick enough and plowed into him (I couldn’t react quickly enough) and they carried on and on about trolls, etc. I apologized and left after that race.
I’m not exactly slow and racing online would be fun if I didn’t feel like I had to race on eggshells the whole time.
I’m not sure how a licensing system addresses this. People will make mistakes (intentional or not) which then make other people mad, and it all unravels. At every level - NASCAR, F1, etc.
I have plowed people for being spun and sitting there. He shouldn’t have spun and he wouldn’t have gotten hammered sitting on the track.
The only way to improve is to race with other people and you will pick up things they do that you do not. You will improve, you just have to ignore them. If you hit me I’m probably going to say c’mon or something like that but the second you say sorry or my bad you won’t hear another peep other than asking if you need help. I don’t know a single person out of the 100+ on my friends list that wouldn’t do the same. Give it a chance Zippy, it’s worth it.
No need for licenses, no need for true skill (although i did enjoy having legend title in FM3 (insert cool guy with sunglasses with a cheesy grin)). Lobbies aren’t that bad… Try racing it when you have cars permanently in the sky and your only point of cars around you are the shadows on the track!!! I know everyone in the lobby does it on purpose to me… darn pesky trolls.
Okay in all honesty. Lobbies are not so bad, the drivers aren’t terribly bad… . . . . … . . . … … But they do need some improvement on i.e how to brake but thats what you except when a new console comes out and 1000000 people buy a console and a racing game like this for first time. Even when I got rolled over by the god of lag and come through a lobby some people give racing room and some try to.
Patience 6 months it will all be better. Them pesky air trolls might be on the ground too… I got my eye on you lot!!!
How about an online system based on clean laps raced. Of course Turn 10 would have to allow clean passing for this to work. Reward for driving clean. Penalize for running dirty, like cutting corners or running walls. Kick from lobby for too many collisions with other cars. I feel that Forza games are geared more toward leader board times, thus the “dirty your lap for passing policy”, than clean racing. I don’t have the time to spend hot lapping for hours to be at the top of the leader boards, I’d rather be racing real people. I would like my fast lobby laps to count toward my leader board time. It’s disappointing to get run off the track by a fast driver and see that he can’t run a clean lap after leading for two or three laps, and the driver is a level 900 or 1500; or you get rear ended in a corner because your braking to take the corner clean and the fast guy is planning to cut it so he doesn’t slow down and then he screams at you for ruining his race. It’s pretty easy to knock a second off your lap when your cutting corners. I had some pretty respectable top 100 leader board times in January and early February posted in X Class in online races.
I don’t mind losing to clean racers, I respect them because they have more skill or discipline than I do. When I beat them in a clean race, that feeling is why we don’t need to segregate. From my experience in X Class, I would guess that a small percentage of the guys at the top can or won’t play well with others. Just my opinion.
They won’t ever learn in a different lobby. Most would stay in that lobby and never progress.
Have you been intentionally wrecked out by a crash team recently? How about a lobby of yokels so poor at driving it was a waste of their and your time?!
These type of experience-RUINING situations is what we’d like to avoid, not this pithy ‘learning situation’ for somewhat underskilled players. A tiered racing license system could easily still have competition within it. If there’s a full 10 second window with which to lap in one of (i dunno, let’s say…) 3 or 5 license brackets, there’s still plenty of competition and improvement possibilities.
Do the top 500 lap time guys really need to be getting wrecked out with the guys who are just learning that ruining others’ experiences is wrong? That’s like throwing the medical students with the kindergartners, imho. The gap is too wide for them to learn anything relevant. Putting slow people who crash every turn can race with people who crash once a lap, maybe some competitive racing in there but you can be DARN sure that I’m not going to help someone get better who can’t even get around the track, let alone fix their contact patch.
Also, I’m being quoted a lot and yet the responses that follow the quotes seem to agree with me in a confrontational manner; we all want to have fun here, we just have different ideas about how to get it done is all. I always enjoy a good discussion.
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Unfortunately all wreckers are not lousy racers some just don’t like being overtaken get wrecked themselves and then the action really gets going nothing worse than somebody that can keep pace with you and wipes you out on every corner. The other fast annoying muppets are when you get a group all from the same club (Of course no clubs in Forza 5 sort it out T10) they have maybe 2 good racers and 2-3 slower who then just begin to take out other racers leaving the way clear for the better racers so pushing their club up the rankings. These are usually weekend warriors who normally race in higher lobbies. Not all wreckers are of the troll variety and please does anybody else reckon that career racing against drivatars is the dirtiest racing ever in Forza come back AI all is forgiven. lol
I have found that once the initial first turn carnage is over if I get through it I unscathed and someone catches up I’ll move over and let them by. If it’s the other way around though and catch someone up ill overtake cleanly but unless I can pull away quickly you can guarantee ill get shunted off at the next corner.
I think it would be a blast if they had an area in multiplayer where you have to earn your way higher. Not higher like D to C to B to A, but higher as far as player skill. You would win a few races and move up a level. Some sort of point system. Players who DOMINATE constantly (you know who you are) would eventually race each other. Players who are still running themselves off the track would race together also. UNTIL they improve. Stepping up to the next level means steep competition again and learning. If the had a hopper for that, it is where I would be everyday.
as the number 1 player moves up the 2 best becomes the best, who would get bumped up even with no improvment. its called grading on a curve. that reduces the number of lobbies needed. eventually everybody except the single worst player, probably a 2 year old who just likes pushing buttons and couldn’t care less about winning, is gonna move up. at that point turn 10 would probably throw some drivitars in the lobby and someone would pick up the controler the 2 year old got board with and move up the two year old too. eventually you would be right back where we are now with everybody is the same top level.
players who dominate? have you played forza online? it took me a week or two to get the lead dog achievment. i got the best advice from the people who could beat me. i wasn’t wrecking tthem on purpose but i lost control a few places, like the lagunna corkscrew. they taught me how to get a perfect corner pop up rather than just relying on the law of averages if i would make it or not. they made me safer to race around. the most advice i got was from people at the back of the pack. they are the best racers in forza and nothing is ever their fault, the wrecks are the other guys fault. the car in front is always going to slow, the car behind is always going to fast. they were taking “their” line around the track and other cars got in their way its not their fault. if the wreck someone its rubbing, if someone rubs them its wrecking. the problem with players who dominate consistantly and know who they are is just about everybody who has ever picked up a controler if you want to go by “know who they are” . some good laughs can be has by unintentionally humorous comments caught between the swearing on forza. just like in real life everybody (including us) thinks they are an above average to great driver when math proves half must be below average.
I was just bouncing a fun idea, and my take on what could be done with Licensing type racing or a grading system. Im not quite sure why you took it as the best player would move up and have nobody to race? And 2 year olds would be dropped into the lobbies? And the world as we know it… let me stop… Private groups make lobbies with players who have “like” skills by doing testing and grading players. Almost like handicapping. I’m sure it would be fun if I had time for the organization aspect of it all. But I dont. So I think it would be a fun idea.
“players who dominate? have you played forza online?” Actually yes I do. I win alot. I lose alot. Im in these forums alot too learning from drivers and their ideas and whatnot. I never claimed to be a player who dominates. But there are players who do. Go read the post called Guide Become a Top Driver by Following these Steps! Have a read through the comments in there. You will pick up on about 100 names that WILL dominate in lobbies. And they do. And they ARE above average. (some could be aliens). Imagine if they could jump into their ranked hopper and be pitted against one another constantly without effort or knowing eachother.
Not saying that you can only get into lobby A if your time on track X is withing 3 thousands of a second from everybody else. But if a skilled player could be placed ONLY with other skilled players like them that could be fun.