Lack of effort with FM6 expansion packs

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Now this may or may not cause a bit of hate but I don’t intend it to, just a little thought of mine.

So before I get on with it, can I say how much I love that the developers are giving us mad new car packs every month and extra content all the time.

However, the expansions. We pay good money and in my opinion, we are getting ripped off. The Porsche expansion, it came with 22 cars and Virginia International Raceway. But correct me if I’m wrong, but only 3-4 of these cars were brand new to the Forza series. Plus, we are now without RUF cars such as the Yellowbird and the Rt 12 because they “planned” Porsche’s to come to the game months after the release. Yes we got Virginia which is brand new and I am very grateful as it is an awesome track, but car-wise, I think we got ripped off as barely any of these were even new to the game series. How lazy is that?

Now onto the second thing.

Now I am NOT carving this in stone because we have no confirmation that it’s true, but the suspected NASCAR expansion. Thank you Turn10 for this, we get what is supposed to be 24 or so of the 2016 cars, plus a new track. But hang on, the 2016 NASCAR series only has 3 manufactures competing, and I’m not 100% sure on this, but aren’t all the cars from those manufactures identical? Meaning that the developers only have to model 3 cars, along with their liveries. Plus, a FULL expansion with a racing series and only 1 oval track to go with it, sounds like it might get a little boring to me… (Yes I know Daytona and Indianapolis are also there)

Now as I said, I take it all back of course if the speculations about the NASCAR expansion are fake.

So those are just some thoughts of mine and I’m keen to hear yours too. Also again, I’m not looking for trouble, keep it clean and be mature about everyone’s open opinions.

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My opinion is, if anything, the core game is too cheap. DLC is simply charged at the going rate for the developers time after that.

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I do think the “24 cars” malarkey is unacceptable, but that’s a marketing thing, the devs have no control over that. There are NOT 7 Formula E cars. There’s 1 Formula E car with 7 liveries.

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You’re right my apologies, should have specified it was the marketing side not the developers. More about the people in charge I guess who make the decisions and think it goes over our heads.

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In terms of the Porsche expansion, I doubt there is much Turn 10 can do. I highly doubt they were allowed to ship the base game with Porsche’s in it due to the licencing issues, and I would assume they would want to get all the popular ones to the playerbase (the various 911’s, the 918 etc), so logically that would involve a lot of the expansion being filled with cars we’ve already had in previous games. I do agree that it isn’t really an excuse to exclude the RUF’s though.

In terms of the possible NASCAR expansion, I’m not keen on the 24 cars actually being 3 with different liveries, IF that does happen.

In terms of tracks, I think one track per expansion is fine, considering the amount of work put in to getting the tracks in game, I’m happy we get new tracks at all. It would be nice though if these were retroactively added to career mode, though I doubt that’s possible.

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With regards to the Porsche Expsjsion Pack, it was in fact a complete game. “Within” a game. Not just a simple adding of 23 cars and a ‘single’ track.

It is I fact a full 'stand-alone game with it’s own Showcase events, its own full racing series to run through. Which by the way, encompasses all the eras of Porsche.

The cars in the pack included 11 new cars never before released on any Forza title. 12 came from the Horizon game, but we’re reworked for Forza a Motorsports. There’s a very good thread on the entire expansion pack, so please feel free to search for it and it’ll explain the numbers and types of cars that were new.

The track includes 7 ribbons, and each is run in both day, night and rain. Thus giving you 21 different racing experiences.

VIR is possibly one of the BEST racing sites in the U.S. It is in fact a proper Resort. Where people can come and go for just a holiday at the Spa, or go golfing, or get sone racing in and tutored in, and generally take it easy.

After seeing it, checking on the Internet, my son and I are planning on visiting the site when we head to the U.S. In a few months as part of our holiday.

So - to recap, the pack supplied 23 cars, 11 of which were NEW.

It supplied 7 tracks with 21 variants.

And supplied a full racing series running through all 23 cars from the first Porsche through to the latest Spyder…

It has all the games types that Forza Morosport has in it, including a very heavy enduros,

Plus the insanity Top Gear events etc.

And is run as a stand alone game inside this game.

The NASCAR Expansion Pack will be the same. As there’s evidence that there’s one more spot left on the home page of the dash right next to the Porsche Tab where NASCAR tab will go… Do expect to see a new tab next to the Porsche Tab once it’s released.

It will no doubt ship with not only the new track from Miami. But it’ll no doubt unlock those tracks currently in the game but have their ovals unable to be accessed at the moment. They will be unlocked.

Then adding to those tracks, plus the new Miami one, plus the Two main Ovals, Indy and Daytona. That will expand the other tracks and add up to approx 5-7 circuits ??

Yes, there will be 24 cars, they will fine from the 3 known NASCAR manurfactures, and no doubt consist of 8 liveries from each. But we also have several Daytona Prototypes already in the game. What’s to say that in the next 2 DLCs, we’ll get a few more Daytona Prototypes to run on the ovals.

I believe we’ll be seeing 1 or 2 more HotWheels cars as well, but that’s for another discussion.

As it’s mentioned in this weeks, Week In Review, inI which it states that the Bone Shakert is “one of the first Hotwheels cars to come to Forza 6”…

So - with the addition of the NASCAR Expansion Pack, we could end up with yet ANOTHER broader game. A new “Gsme Within A Game” to play with.

It won’t just be a series of cars and an added track.

As the item shown states on the back. It includes a complete racing series. That will no doubt include a variety of day, night send even rain events that cover the entire racing series.

I do however think that the pack will be released reasonably soon, and - we will get only 2 more DLC car packs.

As these cars (24 3 manufactures with 8 liveries = 24 cars) plus 14 more (2 x 7 cars = 14) from the two DLCs, will take the total to an additional 38 more cars. Thus reaching, if not exceeding, the garage ceiling limit of cars that can be owned at any one time. Which is 600.

We’ve certainly NOT BEEN CHEATED or RIPPED OFF. in fact, with the Porsche Expansion Pack, we’ve gotten a great deal more than we had expected. The NASCARS Epansion Pack will be the same.

But I firmly believe that it will be the last, and we’ll only see 2 more DLCs. We WILL get the various Unicorn cars, eventually. But that will push the total cars well over the magical 600 mark.

OZ

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Here’s to hoping that June sees a LeMans themed pack with the Ford GTLM in it…that would be awesome and perhaps the 488 GTLM and a new Aston Martin GTLM, maybe a new LMP or two.

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Thanks Manteo… I had dime exposure to the development team, and the PR crew here in Australia with regards to Forza 3 and the build up for the following title. And I can verify that the amount of work that goes into just one car is enoumous to say the least.

Then of course there’s the PR side of things. The Forza Hub and its weekly news and events and such like that has its own huge crew. All of whom need to be paid. As they to are part of the whole team.

Without which the gamers would be flying blind. While many of our requests ‘seem’ to fall on deaf ears a great deal of the time, I’m sure that there’s a huge plan that’s working bend the scenes. One that has been in the works for some time.

Sadly we are not privy to that. So many of us just speculate as to what us happening, based in what we find and read.

That’s the best we can do. Some I put from the team would go a LONG way to smoothing some feathers, that’s for sure.

Keep up the great with mate, when I’m over that way on my holiday with my son, it’d be great to show him done of the Forza family? Anupy hints on how to go about that. .?

OZ

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For me, the Porsche expansion is excellent. Of course many of the cars will be recycled - they pretty much had the best cars to begin with. As for the new ones, I’m grateful we have them…and VIR is a blast. The only thing I wish they had was a 996 Turbo, 997 Turbo, and a 993 Turbo; but no matter. They still did great.

The NASCAR expansion means precisely nothing to me as I don’t care whatsoever about NASCAR, but many people do and I’m sure it’ll be a welcome addition for them. I just won’t buy it because I don’t find taking left turns for 3 hours to be enjoyable to do OR watch. Fact is, it’s the next logical step for the series to take.

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I wouldn’t assume that all the cars are from 2016. They might be, but given the “History of Motorsport” theme FM6 has going on (especially the Porsche expansion), I’d be very surprised if there aren’t NASCAR models from different eras, with the career mode progressing through the history of NASCAR.

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Nobody is assuming. It says on the retail card that they’re from the 2016 season.

That said though, even if there aren’t new cars from other years, it’s totally possible we’ll see events appear using historic NASCAR vehicles already in the game.

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Huh…oops. Missed that somehow. That’s…disappointing.

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Bottom line about what appears in the games is two-pronged: (1) what is agreed to by lawyers, representatives for Microsoft Studios, Xbox Live, Turn 10 and Microsoft (check the in-game credits) in negotiations with the various manufacturers, and (2) Marketing (not Turn 10).

The game developers (Turn 10 employees and the staffs hired for projects - again see in-game credits) and the Community Team at Turn 10 do what they legally can do. Period. Players clamor for “body kits” or being able to switch rims, paint windows, etc., but those are controlled by the manufacturers in the negotiations. Even how much “damage” is depicted in the game has legally-binding limits where manufacturers don’t wish to have their cars depicted in certain situations.

The people we “see” either on the forums, in Twitch broadcasts or in the various articles do what they can do, but are not in positions of decision-making.

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The single player stuff for Porsche expansion did get boring really quick and while the VIR tracks is amazing and difficult, it feels useless. I’ve raced it once in multiplayer and that was to only try new tunes with a friend.

It wasnt that great of an expansion. Note: I’m not a Porsche fan so things like single player, rivals, and multiplayer matter. I didn’t mention rivals above due to lack of forzastats and overall leaderboards that is a game-wide issue.

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Agreed, i cannot stand this new tact of bundling the track into an expansion that a large chunk of people wont buy. It’s a blatant grab for money which is backfiring IMO.

I am yet to race on VIR in a public lobby and not from a lack of trying.

I very rarely get to race it in private lobbies as there is almost always at least one person without it, so it doesn’t get run out of politeness.

I’ve used only a third of the Porsche cars and half of the ones i haven’t is because they’re junk.

I got bored of career mode after the third whatever they are called things, events? None of which from vague memory were even at VIR mind you, talk about stupid!

Looking back on it, i’ve basically paid $25AU for 5 cars.

Porsche pack is the first Forza related purchase where i strongly don’t feel i’ve got my monies worth and i’m rather confident the Nascar pack will be no different.

T10, either go back to giving the tracks for free like forza 5 or allow them to be purchased separately, you’re rapidly evaporating good will doing it the current way…

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VIR is only in the Porsche hoppers; not vanilla hoppers.

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There are several different series that run under the NASCAR banner. There could be sedans from Sprint, the sport coupes of the Xfinity series, and possibly trucks or late models too.

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I certainly hope so because 3 cars and 1 track is not exactly an expansion.

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Its a whole series being added. 24 caes in the series will be added and im guessing 24 drivatars based on the nascar drivers. Yeah there’s only 3 types of cars but are they going to charge 3 dollars for the expansion.?