I was really heavy into these forums during Forza 3 and 4! There used to be giveaways and contest for the best designs on a certain vehicle or photos. And I’m not saying there’s no painters/artists left but it just seems like a lot of them have disappeared! So is it just me or does anyone agree? Don’t mean this thread to be negative it’s just something I’ve noticed…
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T10 had a race night lastnight with free giveaways,it was alot of fun and particularly funny as the lobbies where very well behaved ie no rammers lol.
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it has gone down with each sequel, but forza 5 does seem to be trending higher than horizon. before the forums switched over forza 2 had over 2 mill posts, forza 3 had about 1.4 mill, forza 4 had about 400k. horizon was only 87k and forza 5 already up to 64k. people are not as passionate about it because turn ten went for the $ with all the assists. you dont even have to break anymore, just throw a rubber band around the right trigger and follow the line. when you lower the skill level that much people that cant drive will buy and play the game. that gets you money but it throws unqualified drivers out there on the track with the sim racing people. the simmers get tired of getting wrecked/frustrated so they quit. some of the unqualified will practice and improve becoming simmers but the majority will move on when the next big game comes out. most of the unqualified get frustrated because they never get to win and quit playing. you can have a sim racer or an arcade racer…when you try to mix the two on the same track at the same time it just frustrates everybody. forza needs to get forza back to being a sim racer and let horizon be the arcade racer. yes most of the simmers will skip horizons and the arcaders will skip forza so people are buying a game every 2-3 years rather than every year, but they’ll keep buying it every two years not move on to other software/hardware that keep the two genres separate. i love beef. i love chocolate. if you melt a hershy bar on a prime rib i am going to pass on it. sometimes adding to great things together ruins both. i would probably buy the sim and the arcade and have fun playing both. but i only played enough online to get the achievment points for winning 325 races. now i’m back to offline. turn one and wall riders tells me forza is full of arcade racers.
play forza 1. the 1st part of thee game was a tutorial teaching people how to race/drive. no auto brake, very few assists, full damage and all damages came out of your winnings. you could spend the rest of the race sitting on the side of the track disabled if you wrecked. forza tried to absorb the pgr crowd and its not working. now instead of teaching people to drive forza has assists do the driving for them. turn ten needs to decide if they want to make forza or if they want to make pgr/horizons. there are going to be tons of arcade racers, ea cranks out a tleast 1 need for speed a year. what are rare on consoles are the sim racers.
sim and arcade are steak and chocolate, not chocolate and peanut butter.
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The only reason the community seems less active is because there’s less of a community. The Xbone has only been on the market for a few months. Not everyone has shown up. Sure, a handful might not make the transition for whatever reason, but the long and short of it is that it’s still a very new console. Give it time.
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I’m not sure why people figured that a launch title for a console that has thus far sold just a few million units would sell as well or have as much message board activity as a previous game for a console with an installed base of tens of millions. Previous core Forza games sold like 4 or 5 million apiece, while Xbox One hasn’t sold that many consoles altogether. Being a launch title will help sales a bit, as new One owners will want games to play, but series newbies won’t be as hardcore with the series and aren’t likely to hang out here.
I second this.
really? you are blaming xbox ones instal base? you might not be 100% wrong if forza 1 wasn’t the most community involvment with an install base of about 20 mill on the original console. forza 2 was an early 360 title and had a smaller instal base than 3 or 4 and beat them both. forza 3 had a smaller instal base than 4 and the community was more active. each sequel becomes more arcade and does worse. almost every console racing game is an arcade racer, so there is alot more competition. going back to the sim focus would make them unique, the only sim on the 360. right now forza isn’t very sim. and if arcade sells better then just bring back the project gotham team because it was a much better arcade racer than forza.
to be honest i dont even know where the pits are on most tracks now. i can remember in forza 1 your fastest lap was going to be the lap before you pitted if you took care of your tires because an empty gas tank weighs alot less. forza 1 is my favorite forza, and trust me it was really 100% from scratch unlike carrying over the driver level resetting just like the last game. get an original xbox and play forza 1 and project gotham racing. there was no “drifting” points in forza 1. which does forza 5 play more like online? now look play the later pgr titles. night racing, weather, etc…those that want a sim are forced to resort to old forza titles offline because the servers for forza 1 and 2 have been shut down. if i had never played forza 1 or 2 i would probably like forza 5 better…i wouldn’t know what i was missing.
do yourself a favor and play the original forza and the original project gotham. they were the best games in the series. they were made before every game had to be noobified. they were harder, but they were also more fun once you learn how to drive them. more challenging = more rewarding when you finally master it. back then the games gave us tutotials on how to do it rather than an assist to do it for us.
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Forza 3 may have sold about 4 million units, but the install base for the Xbox 360 was well over 4 million by that point. The Xbox One has maybe sold that many systems on its own. And not every Xbox One owner bought Forza 5. The community for Forza 5 just simply won’t be as large right now. If Forza 5 was an Xbox 360 title too (a system with an 80 million unit install base) then perhaps your argument would hold weight, but it doesn’t.
As for assists…yeah, I wish the game didn’t default them on. But I an turn them off. I find Forza 5 harder to drive with all assists off than any previous Forza title. Most cars now need tuning, even stock. I never tuned much in past Forza titles. Mostly I just slapped on some upgrade parts and flew around the track. Most cars feel nearly undriveable in Forza 5 compared to their last gen counterparts.
Forza needs the assists. Not to help the long time Forza fans or sim racing fans get around the track. But to help the novice players, or those that normally don’t play Sim racers. Forza needs to be playable to as wide an audience as possible. That doesn’t mean the whole game has to be dumb down, and made easier. Just lower the difficulty bar for entry for some. “WE” can simply turn off all the assists and crank the difficulty up, and the game is just as hard or perhaps a bit more than any past Forza title. By making the game more accessible it means they can sell more copies. Selling more copies can lead to larger budgets, or at the very least it will lead to more Forza titles. …unlike PGR…which is now gone.
Yeah, bro. I’ve been on the train since the beginning, too. I also read your first post in this thread, so there really wasn’t any need to throw up another rant about the same thing.
Why do you care about assists? If they bother you, turn them off. It’s really that simple.
The question at hand has to do with why there is less community involvement in FM5 than there was in previous iterations of the franchise. The answer is because the system is brand new and not everyone is able to adopt early. Why do you continue to bring up the older games in relation to this question? FM1 came out on the original xbox just a few months before the 360 released, and it was playable on the 360. FM2 came out nearly 2 years after the release of the 360. Clearly, 3 & 4 were released well into the 360’s life cycle.
This console is less than 3 months on the market. That’s why the community isn’t as populated and active as it was in previous iterations of the game,
Understand?
What kept you from posting on the old forums then?
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I posted every now and then…I was a big lurker loved looking and downloading peoples created designs for all the different cars…how certain players would have giveaways, or the community would get together and everyone would have a competition on making a holiday livery etc. I know there’s still gaming with the devs and some of this stuff still exist somewhat but the activity has definitely declined…it’s just an observation on my part, I’m really big on art and creativity and just like seeing other players bring out there creativity and art…as far as livery and photographs are considered…
Yeah, because the new forums suck worse than the other. If you ask a question you don’t get any answer they just keep rattling on under the tutaledge of MANTEO whatever forza’s boy this whole game needs major work. It gets boring driving these same few tracks, wheres Suzuka,the mountains in Japan, the rest of LeMans, New York City from 3. They had all that and then they give us Austrailia and Dubai Comon! BORING BORING BORING! Anybody else getting bored with these crappy tracks?
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- You continue to pose questions and then complain you never get any answers yet in every instance I’ve seen you pose a question at least one and typically several people have posted a response. You just never seem to go back and check for those responses and answers.
Please allow me to once again help you with the following: How do forums work?
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Max puts in a tremendous amount of effort to provide information for everyone’s benefit. He does it because he cares and wants to help others who want to enjoy the game. He is also a good friend of mine and you are absolutely not going to use these forums to post disparaging comments attacking him or any other moderator.
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The rest of LeMans? Were you hoping to be taken seriously?
Take a week off to quietly reflect and contemplate on if and how you might like to continue your participation on this forum in the future. Tell you what, make it an even fortnight.
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I’ve owned every Forza, and to me the community seemed most active with the launch leading up to FM2 and then during the FM2 run. I know some of the activity was due to marketing your paints/tunes etc that you were placing on the auction house. There was no store so if you wanted someone to know about your “product” you needed to do some marketing. That aspect is pretty much done (at least for now) with the current edition.
Also, in earlier forms, the Forums were not particularly moderated, so you had endless arguments about rice burners, American crap, euro trash, yadda yadda yadda… pick whatever bias you want and attach some derogatory term. Whatever you may think of the posts, they certainly had the ability to accumulate. 
Now, the forums are heavily moderated (personally, too much I’d say, but probably better the pendulum be on this side than the other). Also, the game is a lot of fun, but I’m hopeful there are some releases that make for a better online experience. While I like the racing, there are just some missing features that make serious racing online not a viable options, especially with the wheel (no distance meters, hoppers). The addition of online replays at least may help the league racers, and might bring more community interest… Honestly, the game is pretty unfinished, but has potential with future patches. It is what it is. Currently, I just race with a few friends and hopefully updates come before the game loses its flavour for me (which is basically what happened with FM4).
T10 ruined it, went $$$ hungry and everybody left. Surprised?, you shouldn’t be…
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Hate to break it to you, but it was always about money. This is a video game, not an attempt to save the rain forest. The frustrating thing is that there doesn’t seem to be enough money in pleasing the more hardcore racer type fans.
Perhaps you would like to join this ‘everybody’ who have left. Here, let me help you to do just that very thing.
While you are away, it might be a prudent idea to read the Terms of Service and think about how you can possibly make some changes to your approach and become a valued member of this community who shares both his joys and sorrows in a more constructive fashion.
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The forums are losing community because you cannot cough without getting your thread locked or put on moderation. The community in the game itself is a few reasons that I think. 1. The biggest one is most of the community hasn’t switched over yet or may not switch over at all. 2. Rammers and corner cutters frustrate a lot of the players that actually try to have fair clean races, thus making them think twice about whether or not they want to play forza or maybe just skip everyone’s crap and okay battlefield for example. 3. The thing I think is keeping a very small number of people out. The leaderboard cars such as the f50 KTM caterham and Alfa 33 are really starting to get annoying to people when that’s all they see in a lobby therefore maybe they play another game instead.
I do believe the main reason is not many have the xboxone yet, I have also noticed this. In forza 4 I always was talking to someone about something in almost every lobby. Now almost every lobby no one will even talk and very few have enough skill to be a competitor for me. I don’t like winning I like batteling other cars for position. That very seldom happens now.
I have not seen a single case of threads being locked or users placed on moderation without justification. That said, per the Terms of Service, should you have an issue with the forum administration/moderation, feel free to direct your concerns to Turn 10 directly at their email , forzafb@microsoft.com. I’ll let them know to expect your email shortly.
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