FM6- The community

Forza Motorsport Legacy Motorsport FM6 Discussion
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Much can be said about what this place once was, and no longer isn’t. From the various methods such as the AH and gifting, to running open comps and contests. Many features have been taken away, some for a good reason, other I cant say the same. I got used to the way things worked in FM5, no gifting, etc. I dont expect FM6 to be much different in regards to the community, as the game further endeavors to reach more demographics.

What I am saying here is that there are people here that really built this community. People who aren’t as active as they once were. And why? Mostly because of the lack of community oriented features. Gifting, being able to reward people with in game currency for a series race or competition. These features helped Forza become one of the most diversified racing sims.

So the question is: does T10 recognize how much the community has dwindled? We may have more registered members here today, but when is the last time you seen the Tuners Lounge or TM, overflowing with releases from in game tuning garages built up of 5+ participating members? I desperately want to see these days again!

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Hear, hear.

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Im not asking for these features to necessarily be returned, and quite frankly I am more than impressed with everything known about FM6 at this point.

I just remember what the days of FM2-FM4 were like vividly. Imagine what the community from then could do with what we will have in FM6.

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Paint contests, endurance races, series promotions, tune comps, drift comps! All need the ability to gift prizes, cars, etc…also need the ability to collaborate on paints, tunes, even to the point of putting a tune/paint on a prize car and giving it to the winner.

Nothing in place so far to enable this.

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Communities tend to change and adapt to their environment over time and this one is no exception. In the past, during FM2 in particular, the UGC sub-forums such as the TM were incredibly busy but that can largely be attributed to the fact that the auction house was the only way to distribute UGC and the only way to know what was coming was to follow the forums. Now that the advertisement and distribution of UGC is taken care of by the game itself, there has been a subsequent trailing off of the forum activity surrounding UGC. Add to that the rise and prevalence of social media over niche online communities such as forums. And add to that the simple fact that some of the novelty has worn off, people have moved on to other things and are replaced by those who don’t have the same fond memories of the past here.

I would love to see the forums return to what they were like during FM2 but those days are gone and likely never to return. Our community will adapt and move forward regardless.

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I kinda disagree a bit here. I don’t agree with the statement that the game advertises UGC. Maybe I should say it doesn’t do it well, and this is current, not what’s next, to be clear.
I couldn’t give a paint away until I came on the forums here and self promoted my stuff, because the game wasn’t getting it done. And I’m no Picasso, but people do like my stuff well enough, IF they know it exists.

Perhaps if the “advertisement” were improved, and the distribution were still handled by the game it’d work. Will have to wait n see.

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The only two features that I really care about seeing back in the game are Gifting and Clubs. Two essential features, IMO, for a community based game. Clubs for organization and communication. Gifting for the reasons OldSchool mentioned, as well as just freely sharing creations with your friends.

I never used the AH, and the FM4 storefront had it’s own issues that I really disliked. However, the crappy FM4 storefront was still better than the complete lack of any aspect of a true community marketplace in FM5 and FH2. Hopefully the new system in FM6 will address it and fill in the gap.

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Change and Adapt?

Or Grow?

Very little in this world Grows without being nurtured. In this case, not only was it not nurtured, but it was choked off at its roots.

I agree with Hieronymus1967 on one point: those days are gone and likely never to return… it would require active effort on the part of Turn 10, the lack of which we’ve seen over and over.

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So, true.

I think some have the misconception that we are all just reminiscing and being nostalgic. This couldn’t be any further from the truth. This community is clearly in rough shape and the evidence can be seen with in-game content and in these very forums. As for this community evolving; evolution is spurred by causation and usually occurs for reasons of adaptability. If how we’ve adapted is with all-time low participation driven by a decline in interactivity from Community Team members and reemerging discussions about the community’s status, then we are destined to be extinct as members sooner than this franchise should allow.

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Which certainly explains the growth of other sites that deal with Forza Motorsport but try to keep everyone on the same page when it comes to posting, racing, enjoying and so on. It works both ways though; not everyone likes to be chained within a community (for better or for worse).

I have never been a social gamer. Yes, with a handful people on GRAW or a few on FM/FH. But I enjoy myself just as much playing an entire campaign on my own without anyone harassing/interfering with it because of community-sake. I have never experienced the community people here talk about; personally I found the old AH obnoxious, greedy and overrated. 99% of the tune-setups in the game hardly even get a rating let alone do good for the experience of driving.

There needs to be some kind of filter somewhere. How, who & when is always a thin red line. I don’t agree nor disagree but we can’t keep every buyer of any FM/FH-game satisfied 100% of the time.

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While this community is different now than it was in the FM2/FM3 days, it still is pretty active. Same can’t be said for the likes of some Halo communities that I was a part of for some time. And yes, the community does grow, and change and shift its directions time and again, but that ladies and germs, is how it is with life too. A lot of us who were around in the FM2/FM3 days, are older now, with more responsibilities (hopefully) and have other life issues to deal with than we did then. So that too affects a lot on how involvement with a video game community is concerned.

Some seem to forget that aspect. FM5 got a lot of heat, but Turn10 worked on it. They didn’t have to. They could have left it the broken mess it was, like how Atari left TDU2. Made little to no effort to fix it, only to throw DLC at it and leave it be. There are other games too, but I really can’t be bothered to go into the details of those. FM5 now is vastly better than it was at launch. All this goes back to what I said in another thread with similar focus. I’ll just copy/paste that here and leave it be.

My thoughts on this debacle, are as such, Their outreach to other websites as Ian described should be a bit more of a priority to bring more people here, we here at ‘the home base’ at it were, will always have ways of getting and sharing the information about the game and bringing it here for others, the Devs know this. That alone shows they aren’t ‘out of touch’ with their community , if anything the community has become out of touch with the Developers and just want things handed to them on a silver platter. It’s the whole ‘spoiled child’ syndrome.

“ERMAGERD, we at their own forums should this, should that…” They provide it as they can, but they are trying to being more people to the fold, as some people in other communities really don’t want to sign up somewhere else for things, kind of like how I am with some things, so I totally understand this. I understand now that some giveaways are for other sites to generate traffic there, just as they are trying to do here.

It’s a brand new game, they want the hype train chugging full force everywhere it can. It is already doing that here. It is just surprising to me to see what I am seeing , and who I am seeing it from. I can only imagine how some of T10 must feel.

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I hate drifting.

With a passion.

It is the automotive equivalent of synchronized swimming or ballroom dancing and certainly no proper motorsport.

I think what really put me off it was encountering fans of drifting here on our forums. I found them, almost to a man, to be spoiled louts posturing and preening and generally making a nuisance of themselves. And when I say ‘man’ I mean young boys because the average age of them appeared to be practically pre-teen based on their command of the language and online behaviour.

And then I came to begrudgingly respect them as a group. Despite their continued efforts to get me to dislike them with their requests and demands, they took what the game gave them and made it so much more. They created their own competitions with complex rulesets and training schools with mentors and leagues and teams and all manner of organization that defies explanation. They complained loud and long about how they couldn’t get the things they wanted and how they weren’t given any consideration by Turn 10 and then they went and got on with it anyway.

Sometimes you need to get on with it yourself and make the community you want.

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I don’t mind drifting, but the drifter community does seem to be quite an annoying bunch sometimes…They always want NFS features in Forza…

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THIS^^^

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It’s the type of drifting that you are dealing with here.

People who watch this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbJ1TLkLbfw

Are a lot different than people who watch this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvjXbdHR1Qc

They are different breeds of people. If you want to think better of drifting people check out Touge Union forums. Those guys are more mature.

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The people who like drifting and wanna do it because they enjoy it.

The people who are “all 'bout that swagger and #AINTCARE life, ya feel me?” I’ve talked with him before too, he’s a horribly immature, annoying, arrogant, and hateful person.

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Put this at best, is it fair to say most ‘known’ which I would rather not know Forza youtubers as well.

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The community will never be like it was in FM2. As much as I would love the return of said community it just isnt, ever, going to happen again.

Until T10 actually nurture the community as Don pointed out, instead of just ‘selling us’ [ you can bet they will sell us to market the game again] nothing will change.

Until T10 staff members can acknowledge the community issues and interact with said community on all fronts [good or bad - and deal with each equally] there is no hope.

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In the case of a video game a “community” is a group of people sharing an interest in common. This is still very much a community. Don’t confuse this with some in game features that allowed the gifting and/or trading of tunes and paints. So OK, in the past it was easier to give or find good tunes and liveries and for the creators to make credits but did this improve the game. I have doubts. For me, this series is all about learning a little race craft and having a go at tuning yourself. It’s far more of an accomplishment winning races or setting a great time in a car of your own creation than simply downloading a few tunes until you find one that’s competitive enough. Perhaps what should be happening a little more is players sharing information, tips and advice. It’s still very possible to arrange race meets and to create clubs here on the forum rather than in game. We shouldn’t have to be spoon fed all the time. If there are enough people wanting to carry on some of the past in game features then go ahead and do it. Now that really would be a community.

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Everything you asked for was there until T10 killed it.

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