Incentive for racing online with your own tune.

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Very interesting thread!

I’ve only raced in Forza 6, so I will be going on 2 years in Forza this November. I really enjoy both the racing and the tuning aspects of Forza, and wouldn’t trade either of them. It is really satisfying to me to win or podium in a league lobby of good racers with my own tune. That being said, there are some tunes out there by other tuners that, to me, are perfect as they are and I wouldn’t change a thing on. So I don’t! I race with them and enjoy them as much as my own tunes.

An example of this is just in this week’s E Ghost League. I’d never driven the Fiat 124 Sport Spider before, found a well-rated grip tune for it, and am amazed at how great and fun it is to drive! (GT: Robby Racer) It RULES at Sonoma! To me, if a person uses and wins with your tune, it is a compliment. A “like” goes a long way. Because really, XP and CR are so easy to get in this game as to be almost meaningless.

Maybe it’s because I’m fairly new to the game compared to you guys, but I still feel I am scratching the surface of it. Although I’ve tuned tons of cars, there are still many I haven’t even driven yet. But I’m sure trying! :slight_smile: And as far as driving goes, I am often amazed at how good some of you guys are. Like markvii1 mentions, the better drivers can handle higher power cars with lower handling. Then, see…you…later! Pretty amazing. There are times when I hit a series of turns “perfectly”… :slight_smile: … even with the same car and build… and I’m losing ground! Pretty impressive.

Sure, there are corner-cutters. But I just recently saw a friend beat a corner-cutter on Sebring Short, and I was cheering for him when he did! To me it is just more of a challenge, and then don’t take it too seriously. Sure, there are crashers in the regular lobbies. But that is more of a game of survival to me than actual racing. There’s a lot of luck involved in the regular lobbies. I prefer Ghost Leagues myself, because they are a great platform for both tuning and racing. But that is just me.

I don’t want to come off as saying Forza can’t be improved. It sure can! All the suggestions for penalizing corner cutting and crashers I am for, believe me. I hope some are implemented for Forza 7. We will soon see. Hey, I will still have my '69 GTO, and now a '65 to tune! And we have Suzuka and Mugello… good times!!!

But in the meantime, I’ll be enjoying Forza 6, both racing and tuning. And everyone else can enjoy the game in their own way.

My two cents… :slight_smile:

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One thing I hate about game feedback these days is stereotyping. In another game I am playing someone wants to kick players based on class. The real problem is troll behaviour but instead of kicking trolls they want to kick a class most trolls use, yet plenty of players use that class for the team’s benefit. One player, ten players does not make a majority.

Scenario - someone was asked to join a club to provide tuning services. Someone got them to open source a tune for them and they shared it. All of a sudden people are saying clubs are flawed because all drivers are stealing all tuners tunes.

It is not the case that every good tuners tunes were stolen.

And if there is a problem the solution is that each tuner decide if they want their tune secret, shared on the storefront or open sourced.

I believe there are 3 ways to enjoy the game, and at various times I have done all 3.

In no particular order:

  1. Cycled production.
  2. Use the best tune you can find.
  3. Use your own tune.

I see no issue with people choosing to enjoy the game using any of these 3 methods.

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Seems like a good place to advertise, l DIXON l formally known as jokingbobcat, bob dixon 76 who’s tunes have been used and stolen off many a world class driver will be back tuning and sharing in forza 7. :stuck_out_tongue:

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A good place to advertise???
In a tread talking about how we should be using our own tunes and not someone else’s…really?
And you want people in this thread to use your tunes? That was what this thread is complaining about!
Even though I don’t agree with the thread and use other peoples tunes a lot, this was not a good place to try to advertise your tunes.

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Calm down, calm down just exited for Forza 7 if i can help 1 or 2 people out, whats up with that?

You can also say this thread is’nt the place but i can tell you that this forum is’nt the place if you’re gonna get overly upset about a topic about a game.

Im the flip side of coin on which this discussion is about.If a tune helps someone drive better im all for it.

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Maybe bonus XP/CR if you use your own tune.
Make the more wins you have with your tune make yo umore money when others use it?

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I’m in the camp that the better driver will win. Sure there are LB cars and some 5-Star tunes that make people fast, but at the end of the day its the person with the controller or wheel in their hands that makes the difference. Bring on the tunes and liveries for those who can’t or won’t and bring entire Forza community up for it. There are plenty of ways for a person to enjoy the game, let’s not limit anyone.

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I whole heartedly agree with you. It would be a nice little incentive to encourage it…just encourage it. Bonuses for racing with wheels?..I say go for it. I think we need more rooms with no assists and damage.

I think the atmosphere in this thread is perhaps the reason I don’t like playing online except with friends. For the person saying “does anybody still care about credits?” I for one do. Do you like money? Are you paying for stuff with those useless tokens? Credits is how you are paying for stuff in the game and when you play 10 different games, you’re not going to be generating credits probably that fast. So it matters. And finally for the guy saying “leaderboard cars” don’t exist…yeah, they do. Some cars don’t allocate points better than others. I think it was FM5, never once did I see a Neon, 95 Mustang, or Omni on the track with me. I had great tunes for these cars and they still sucked. People will always exploit the easy way out.

Good thread OP.

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I think I understand the sentiment of the OP and perhaps see where he’s coming from.

Forza is a BIG game if you spend time going through all of its features but the ability to simply download tunes and liveries and go straight to the track is important if these features don’t interest someone. It’s also true that many decent tunes and perhaps even liveries get lost in the sheer volume that’s available, particularly for people new to sharing.

With liveries it’s difficult but certainly with tunes there perhaps should be more emphasis on lap times, podiums and credits earned rather than just downloads. The game should encourage people to “have a go” at tuning and ultimately sharing just so long as it doesn’t discourage people that don’t want to.

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I know a lot of very talented drivers out there who can easily pull top 1% on the leaderboards and when we talk about tuning they just say that they aren’t really bothered in tuning their cars themselves which I think is a shame. These people, like me have put thousands of hours into the game so time is not an issue but there’s no incentive or encoargemnt there.

Honestly, I only share tunes targeted at wheel users as they have a big disadvantage compared to controller users and tuning for the wheel is more different then you would think then tuning for the controller.

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If you like to tune the incentive is to see Your name near to top 1% times, what else do you want?
You get credits and popularity!
I simply have no time to learn how to tune a car nor money to spend over famous phone apps.
Is that a real problem for someone?
I found a Nice player that also helped me with some changes in the tunings he shared.
I think it’s a good thing also an incentive to interact between community members.
Once the game will force me to learn to tune, spend money on apps or other things to be competitive i simply think i’ll move over to other games…

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Tuning does not take a lot of time to learn; people who say that are making excuses and just don’t want to give up the pre-made tunes that they’re used to. I know because I used to be that guy.

I’m not saying using pre-made tunes is wrong or anything, but don’t give me that “I don’t have the time” nonsense. Getting into tuning requires some effort for sure, but once you know the ins and outs a regular tune should take no more than 5 minutes to make.

Everyone at least should give tuning a try. You don’t have to tune every car you drive, but at least try it on some cars you don’t race competitively. Knowing how to tune your own cars and being able to get fast times on your own tune feels so much more rewarding than simply buying a LB tune. I think that a lot of these “non-tuners” would have a complete change of heart if they put just a minor effort into learning it.

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Just because you picked it up.easily, doesn’t mean everybody else will.

And you know how much time people have to play now, do you? There’s bound to be a fair few who only have time to do a couple of races a day, perhaps even a week, so they’d more than likely want to just jump straight into doing that racing than messing about tuning their own cars.

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That’s a defeatist attitude. If you convince yourself that you’ll have a hard time understanding tuning, then you’ll never get it. Why not just give it a shot?

Even in that extreme scenario you gave, all it takes is to sacrifice 2 or 3 of those races to tune a car. You’re acting like tuning is a tool and not actually part of the fun, but tuning is enormously fun. How can you say you’d rather race than tune when you’ve never even tried tuning?? Maybe if you learned how to tune you’d actually enjoy it more than racing!

All I’m saying is don’t close doors before you know what’s behind them.

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No, it’s a realistic attitude. I’ve tried my hand at tuning a fair bit, and I’m somewhat decent, if I say so myself, but by no means am I the best. Perhaps my real life career makes it easier for me to pick it up than others, perhaps not. The fact remains that no two people are the same. While one may pick something up quickly, another will struggle and not manage to improve.

And why should someone have to sacrifice their time to do something they don’t want. because you seem to see fit that they do something because you demand it?

While tuning may be fun for you, that doesn’t necessarily mean it is for someone else. We come back to the fact that no two people are the same. I’ll not rattle that entire line from above back to you, as I’ll assume you actually read it.

And you know that they haven’t tried it and not enjoyed it, do you?

I already know how to tune, and I do enjoy it to a certain degree, but that doesn’t necessarily mean that someone else will.

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Dude, I’m just some college student with no experience working on cars and I still learned how to tune on Forza. If I can do it anyone can do it. People get so intimidated by tuning because on the surface it looks so complicated, but in reality the tuning in Forza is very simple and user friendly unlike, say, Assetto.

People certainly are unique, but to play under the assumption that some people are meant for tuning and most aren’t is definitely a defeatist way to think.

This will probably come across as snarky, but what do you play Forza for? To come in 1st place? It just seems to me that those who say “I prefer racing” are really saying “I prefer winning”.

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Being able to push a tune made by someone else to its absolute possible limit is and always will be a 1000x more difficult and respectable achievement than making a semi-decent tune from scratch for use in hoppers where people tend to be 5-15+ seconds off pace.

The fact that these tunes are available to the public is very important, because now it means that anybody has the means to become an elite player as long as they put in the practice (and I mean lots and lots of practice). You don’t have to simply know the right people.

With that said. Do not lecture people on how much time they need to spend learning to tune, they are not backing down from anything.

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This isn’t true. I can wear the same shoes, shorts, and shirt as Usain Bolt but I’m not going to be trotting my short skinny ass out there and setting World Records. Some people just suck and won’t get any better.

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