Real community spirit right there, nice.
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It is not really reasonable to require everyone build their own team instead of a better matchmaking system.
All of my friend are on playstation or dont play forza at all. and my play time are really random.
Overwatch has a better matchmaking system it auto give you a fairly good team.
So I can play anytime without spend time calling everyone
One of the reason make Team racing in FH bad is the point system.
It is heavily effect by slow driver than fast driver.
So you cant carry you teammate because there is no system to carry.
1player fall to 12th = lost 600pt
But 1 player over take 6 driver also only earn 600-650pt.
There is a game call “Drift City” has a better team racing point system.
Basiclly it is base on championship points + sum up the total from your team.
for example
Left = Current team racing point
Right = Championship points
1st NPC 650 / 20
2nd Player 500 / 16
3rd Player 500 / 14
4th NPC 400 / 12
5th Player 400 / 10
6th Player 400 / 8
7th NPC 200 / 6
8th NPC 200 / 5
9th NPC 200 / 4
10th NPC 200 / 3
11th Player 0 / 2
12th Player 0 / 1
Current rules: npc 1850pt vs player 1800pt npc win
Championship pts: rule npc 50pt vs players 51pt player win
You can see in current rule there are more players than npc in front 50% position but we still lose the game.
Although PG wanted to ensure some game experience by locking Trial access behind HoF in all honesty it didn’t help much.
Many Trials are still a corner-bombing festival.
In general I gladly help everyone/the team to win by blocking AI and I don’t mind inexperienced players sitting at the back. But reasonable driving is not a matter of experience. If I get bombed in the first turn (the difference between bombing and overshooting is easy to see) or deliberatly pushed out when overtaking I won’t care anymore.
I race my race and if we win, we win. If we don’t, we don’t.
I queue again and hope for better team mates.
So far the only Trial I had to do numerous times was the open-class Hypercars one but the main blame was on PG for designing such nonsense.
The current one is actually quite fun and we always won the first two tracks. The Porsche 968 is a pleasant drive.
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I think people who want to kick players out of the Trial should reevaluate what the Trial is about and what their role is in it.
The other day we lost a trial because of one of our teammates winning the race. I don’t know this player did it (amazing tune?), but from the start they were off and quite quickly in first place. Then they took the whole field of Drivatars except one with them (because of the lovely rubber banding). There was no way to catch up to them anymore. I was driving pretty decently, but we didn’t stand a chance. So we had 1 player finish in first place and 5 players with 100 or 0 points. If I had to choose I would choose the players behind me for another run instead of the one who ‘won’.
Approach the trial like you’d do team play in other games, in which each player has a ‘role’. The roles in the Trial are obviously determined early on in the race and not before the race, but you can quite quickly assess the playing field and see what is ‘needed’.
If you don’t do this, go for individual win and hope the other players can pull their own weight, it becomes much more difficult to win.
The way I won quite a few trials is with either me or another team mate getting ahead of most of the pack (get to 2nd place or 3rd place) and then slowing the drivatars down. Just let the first car go and win, he is not needed for the team win. Then keep slowing the drivatars down until all or most of your teammates have passed you. From this point on you can either race or keep guarding the back to give your team a nice lead.
This way you can secure a win relatively early in a race, with less chances of people missing checkpoints through kamikaze moves.
ps: Buttss is now the new word for a-ss-e-ss
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Same experience here. One superstar carried 4 other drivatars with him and we lost. I hate those type of players much more than the slower ones.
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I had exactly that happen last night in the 1st race,1st time i’ve seen it happen.He took 4 drivatars with him,but the rest of us could do nothing - he then quit (quite possibly in a huff at his terrible teammates) right before the end of race too.
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Such a shame that “as sess” is now a banned word. Max - any chance of fixing this stupidity?
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Whahahahaha, I did not realise that as I posted. That is really silly.
I may be wrong, but I’m pretty sure that is not how it works. IMO it is more a case of combo car/tune that AI have + maybe something else.
Both last week and this week. Did Trial multiple times, few times even in the same car with the same tune. Always with randoms. Sometimes AI just shoot into the distance and first two are hardly catchable, sometimes whole team was ahead of AI before 2nd lap.
Sounds like a few of the recent posters would not like doing trials with me.
I race to win, end of.
I think I have 7 successful trials from about 11 attempts.
Good for you I guess? If you are that good you could probably have had 11/11 if only you were a team player.
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Hate to tell you, but you are not winning if your team is losing.
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Guess what. The unsuccessful attempts are where teamates took me out or stopped me overtaking them.
So no I have not lost when I have done well.
It seems I get a fair share of fast players at the times I do it. So I do not always win but usually only get beaten by humans not drivatars.
I am surprised at the struggles mentioned on these forums. I have not seen widespread issues with players beating the trial. Maybe I have been lucky with teammates.
Could be some luck involved. I had to make 5 or 6 attempts. Never did find a car I could do particularly well in. Aside from the time I got sabotaged into last place, I was getting 5-7. There was always one or two consistent zeros in the mix. It was rough. I’m happier when I can at least manage a podium finish.
That’s is a different situation. Nothing wrong in coming first. The problem are those that are literally trying to DNF others. AI or teammates.
You could have been lucky indeed. Ultimately this is a team effort and you can do more for your team than just racking up points. Sure, the 650 points for coming in first take you a long way, but by being more of a team player you can actually turn a sure loss into a sure win.
Ofcourse you can approach it as an individual event, but then you have little right to complain about others who do so too.
The solution is 5 point for easier Ai 10 points for Unbeatable Ai. So you have a choice of which Trial to play.
How abot this one, I easily won first trial race and so did team, second and I’m going for a pass for second place on drivtar and miss a checkpoint, drop to 7th (race seems lost), smack one drivatar into the wall, who was harassing a player in front of me, so him, me and one another player can pass it, I finish 5th, race won.
Clean racing among players, at least for what I could saw, just me feeling bad by letting team down and dirty by smacking that drivatar.
Sir iLex
I hate to once again sound like George but you sound like someone who’s still in the honeymoon period with the game + series.
All your thoughts while very nice are purely idealistic, it is not my responsibility to win the trial for ungrateful people who would gladly batter you out of a checkpoint or people with such low ability/putting in such little effort that they can’t even contribute 100 measly points by beating the slowest drivatar that always starts at the back of the drivatars team.
If I get 650pts I’ve done more than enough for the team, I’m not FH5’s version of Lewis Hamilton, nobody decent is ever going to see me + multiple drivatars going off into the distance unable to be caught.
100 points, that’s all it is for me at least, somebody just does that and I won’t ask any questions.
Is asking for 100pts really such an insane/disgusting/elitist hope to have?
It’s all well and good excusing 0-pointers by saying it’s a team game but what team in anything bothers with + rewards people who contribute nothing?
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In my opinion the reason that these players dawdling at the back is so annoying is not that they have zero points, it’s the fact that 6 AI have gained 100 points from them. To balance that difference one more driver needs to pass all the AI. To offset ONE player lagging behind all the drivatars - TWO players need to pass all the AI which is not an easy feat sometimes with the rubber banding and cheating AI on certain circuits.
It’s a different story if the person is tossling for position with the drivatar/s and losing or gaining the 100 pts. Some people are genuinely trying to beat the AI but can’t, while others almost drive backwards they’re so slow hoping the team carries them so they get those sweet 10 pts towards the seasonal/series rewards.
Either way they are more a liability than anything but unfortunately they are basically forced to complete the trial to unlock the second reward each week. I think the Trial should be scaled back to 5 pts instead of 10 and the remaining points distributed to the solo championships which are much easier.
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