I know this isn’t really a large focus of the game because it’s not really a sim, however, I don’t understand why the game starts me either on the line, or a rolling start that’s only a few meters away from the line? This means if I want to avoid doing an entire lap to approach the start at speed, I have to start and reverse backward down the track every time. This is an enormous waste of time. It’s not appropriate in my opinion. Every other racing game I’ve played avoids this by starting you further back off the line. Why is that not happening in this game? Is there a trick I’m not aware of? Or are people just completely content with this and I’m just crazy? I’m not sure how a drag racing makeover was prioritized over rolling start position, because the rolling starts are the fundamentals. If you’re not starting the cars on the right place of the track, you’re diverting the inconvenience to the player, all for what? I’m not sure what the justification for this is? I really hope I’m missing something, and just don’t know how to start a hotlap.
If Turn10 are not interested in providing an easy approach to hotlaps, they need to be more candid about this. To assume Forza 7 will have no hotlap mode is like assuming the cars also wont have wheels. It’s weird. For every person who doesn’t enjoy doing hotlaps, there are several who do. It’s one of the most popular game modes in other racing games outside of multiplayer. People enjoy doing these sorts of car comparisons, and lap times. It’s fun. It’s far more fun than playing bumper cars with your AI. I assure you this. It would also make it easier to identify power inconsistencies to cars and refine the car profiles. There’s a lot of data there I think they’re missing out on , even if they’re too lazy to add a hotlap feature, or pull the cars back a bit off the starting line for rolling starts.
You are not missing anything, this is Forza, not much makes sense here lol. Yea it makes no sense just like a lot of other stuff but they don’t care. It’s too bad they are the only one on the market for xbox/pc with a simcade game, so they do whatever they want and just laugh as people complain.
Here, have a drift and drag patch and some hotwheels cars and be happy it’s free
Sure, I actually appreciate the patches and updates, however, if it’s true there is no way to hotlap without reversing backward down the track, or doing a full lap first, this is obnoxious. I think a lot of times Turn 10 DOES care, but people aren’t being heard. Too often threads get locked, or the community mob action against completely reasonable requests and call people “complainers” , or tell them to go play another game… I would love to hear the rationale for the absence of hotlap starts. If anybody knows, please, fill me in. There is absolutely no way you can add Hot Wheels cars and mini-van’s to a racing game in priority over a normal starting position on the track. It completely destroys the reputation of Forza. This is appropriate for the Horizon series, but not the motorsport series. The lines are getting really blurry.
I’m assuming you’re talking about rivals. They make you do an outlap around the track from a standing start because almost always your exit speed off the last corner is really important to getting the best speed on the front stretch before the start/finish line. They also want to make sure you complete the last sector cleanly so you’re not getting an unfair advantage from walls or cutting the track before the start line.
Makes absolutely no sense. Forza is a backward game when it comes to motorsport. The way it’s right now is a big waste of time since you have to waste a lap for no reason at all. Your arguments about exit speed and having a clean last sector have nothing to do with the problem, either you didn’t read the OP or didn’t understand him.
Any other game in the world starts you way back with a rolling start or standing still, it doesn’t really matter, that way you didn’t waste time with a pointless lap.
I guess I don’t understand your response here. Unless you’re lapping the Nordschliefe, most laps are relatively quick and you would spend a decent amount of time lapping. Is the couple minutes of the outlap that much of an inconvenience to you? This is how it’s been since I can remember.
That would be dumb. One of the duties of a driver is to achieve/keep the optimal tire temps, particularly via smooth inputs and avoiding scrubbing, sliding and spinning up the tires. Setting optimal temps at lap start would give poor drivers who can’t keep their tires at optimum temps a unearned boost on their outlap that they can’t manage on a hotlap.
The game requires an outlap so that everything contributing to the hotlap time is actually the result of your driving, as it should be.
I didn’t say it’s a sim, but Foza does model tire temps such that scrubbing/drifting/spinning up will reduce the grip you get. Even a game shouldn’t pad the stats of an incompetent player.
Rather than crying about how hotlaps work because you mess up turn 1, how about just run more laps and actually get good at the game such that you’re not messing up turn 1? lol
Damn, Forza has tire temperatures and other stuff? No way, no other game does that, world first right there. Now I know why they decided that for hotlap events, you should start at the grid, standing still with cold tires. Makes perfect sense! Other simulators, take note, this is the future, right here!
We should contact the guys at Kunos to change Assetto Corsa Competizione. Starting before the last turn with optimum tire temperature for a hotlap event is just wrong and for noobs, the pros are all at Forza!
What’s really funny is that you bought a game focused on putting laps in, but don’t want to put laps in. An out lap is just too much for you! omg so much effort! Sure, the game should be designed for people like you, who have the attention span of a newt and are too lazy to complete a ~ 2 min out lap at most tracks… cuz who wants to actually do laps in the racing game they bought right? gasp
If Assetto Corsa is more enjoyable, why are you here complaining instead of playing Assetto Corsa? lol
PS - in real life, it takes several laps to get your tires up to optimal temp. So you’re dissing Forza because it doesn’t implement this in enough of an “arcade” fashion for you, while holding up as superior the “sim” game that implements a hot lap in a more “arcade” way by setting temps for you? Well that’s just brilliantly contradictory nonsense. Well done!
My god, you still don’t get it. My point is that starting with an outlap with cold tires at grid position doesn’t make it a better game because it’s more “realistic”. C’mon man, use your brain. And lets be honest, that’s not the reason why that’s how it’s. The real reason is that the devs are lazy, it’s easier to just put you on grid position with cold tires, like any other race instead of actually setting a place to start for every track variation, that’s the real reason.
And of course, the good old “if game X is better than Y, why are you not playing X?”. Yes, because we don’t play variations of the same genre. I mean, I don’t have to explain that you(I think), you can’t be that dense.
You argued that Forza’s out lap implementation was inferior by using a mocking comparison to Assetto Corsa, implying that it is the better standard. Now, you’re arguing that Forza’s implementation doesn’t make it a better game for being more “realistic.” That’s a contradiction, but thank you for scuttling your previous sarcasm filled argument for me. Realism isn’t an argument in favor of what makes a better game. At least we agree on that.
I know the reason Forza starts you on the grid isn’t realism. It’s also not laziness. It’s one of those fortuitous occasions when a goal is achieved without requiring additional work. An out lap ensures that everything that went into your hot lap is YOUR doing, and any work that would have gone into starting you earlier would have a myriad flaws. Positioning your car late in the pre-lap such that it would save a decent amount of time would likely carry an advantage. Anything early enough to ensure you received no benefit would result in only marginal time savings at virtually any track but Nordschleife. thus being a poor return on developer effort. And anything late enough to save time, but not imparting advantages - ie cold tires, would result in a slow hot lap time anyway… meaning you just EXTENDED the time necessary before you could complete a good lap. No matter how you slice it, it simply isn’t worth doing. And lastly, why should hot lapping be modified to save time for people who don’t like hot lapping? If you don’t like it, don’t do it.
“Yes, because we don’t play variations of the same genre.”
Thanks again for making my point. Forza implements hot lapping in Turn 10’s preferred way. If they all did things the same, we wouldn’t play variations of the same genre would we? You don’t like Turn 10s way, so hot lap in something else. Each developer has their own priorities.
Baring that, develop an attention span longer than a newt and endure the unbearable suffering of an avg of < 2 mins of out lap to warm up your tires. I know, it’s asking a lot of you. Ironically, the real solution to the issue is to run more laps so you’re not screwing up so much… not implement something to spare you some lap time.
Your life will be much easier if you were to just use the forums ‘block user’ feature. When someone has an agenda and has made it abundantly clear, no amount of information on will change their mind.
