So now, getting used to the feel, playing the game is wasting a lap? The things knit picking Nelly’s come up with just to trash the game…
Oh I know, you’re just so good, you’ve got the feel for driving and car, any track, down as soon as you roll out of bed, heck, probably even in your sleep. You’re just that good
Forza 2 had running starts but it was either just before the starting line or some where near the last corner. Can’t quite remember.
I assume with the advances made in the tire physics model they chose this method because it takes at least one full lap to get tire temps and pressure built. This is an odd complaint seeing as most hotlappers run dozens of laps just to pick up a tenth. And most forms of racing have at least one installation lap before the flying lap. So I don’t see the inconvenience of one installation lap unless you’re running with accelerated tire wear. Which I’m not sure is even an option.
At the start of the Rivals race just turn around. Drive the coarse backwards weaving back/forth warming the tires. When you have reached a good spot to build up speed for the starting line turn around and let her rip. Your 1st lap will be a hotlap with warm tires. It’s not rocket science!
Note: Don’t dirty the lap by running off the track or hitting something cause you’ll have to start over!!
Yes guys, a hotlap mode usually includes tire blankets, or some kind of pre-warmed tires. It starts you behind the line. And no, not all of these circuits are short. On average there’s like a 2 and a half minute lap time. Do you think it’s appropriate to kill 2 and a half minutes before every attempt? What are you talking about? Are you new to this game mode? This is the kinda stuff I mentioned earlier. It’s like people resist common sense. I already said I was annoyed at the idea of having to reverse backward before every single attempt. Why would I want to drive around the entire circuit? You’re talking about doubling the time spent on something. How much free time do you have, can I borrow some? One response says “unless you’re talking about the nordschleife”. YES, EXACTLY WHAT I’M TALKING ABOUT. Along with every other circuit. I wasn’t leaving some out!!! Spa is 2 minutes+ with GT3 cars. Bathurst is the same. Monza is the same. Le Mans is 4+ minute lap times… Why wouldn’t I be talking about the nordschleife? It’s probably the most popular circuit on the planet.
It would be one thing if I were requesting something unusual… However, I’m requesting a feature that is built into every other motorsports game I’ve played. Now’s when somebody says “Well then go play those games!!!”, which is typical, but , completely not the point. Actually I wasn’t even requesting anything until I was told I wasn’t missing something. So yes, now I’m requesting it. And btw, if you want these games to actually last, and receive attention from developers, it’s in your best interest to expand the community. Even if it’s something you don’t generally like, it doesn’t mean it wouldn’t benefit you. Hotlapping in motorsports is like going to a skatepark for people who skateboard. It’s just normal.
And so here it is again. This really might just be a community problem. The developers are dealing with some really special people here. And I mean that. Geniuses everywhere. Whenever I’m looking to be humbled I just hop on over to the Forza forum where I’m reminded how brilliant everybody is. I guess the upside is, every time I come here, I want to start a business. lol. I give people way too much credit most of the time.
The thing is, if the lap started a few corners behind the start line, but you still wanted to do a whole lap before putting in your first real try, you still could.
But for those of us - most people I suspect - who just want to start our hot lap NOW, we are forced to either turn around which is silly and tedious, or do a whole lap first which is even more tedious.
In the current bounty hunter event, the first corner is very tricky to carry max speed but not dirty the lap. Because you know if you mess it up you’ll have to laboriously do another whole lap to get another chance, rather than just click restart, it makes it more likely you’ll err on the side of caution and leave a few tenths on the table in return for not wasting another lap to give you another try.
Really, this all seems like a no-brainer, which is why every other remotely serious game in this genre does this already.
If you mess up the first corner, you can rewind past the start line and begin a new lap clean, providing your previous lap ended clean. But this will also cause your previous clean lap to be dirty.
White knights are blind. They will defend anything even if it doesn’t make sense. Even simulators work like that, you even have other options like starting from the pit or not, starting with pre heated tyres or not. But here we have Forza, that starts on the starting line with zero options.
If you are bad and really need that first outlap for whatever reason, that’s fine, you can still have that starting a few corners back, you won’t lose anything.
Just to point out: With all the stupid LEVEL UP! menus and watching your Drivatard do the I-gotta-pee dance every time you quit out of a race, it’s probably quicker to do another lap than it would be to quit and restart.
You’re right, I forgot there is no simple ‘restart’ option which just restarts immediately. Yes there are several tedious, stuttery screens to click through first.
I don’t know if this game needs a new head designer or director or something, but it needs a lot of work.
If it’s a long lap…turn round and go back over if not, go do an installation lap to bring the tyres in.
How little do you actually want to play the game that one lap from a standing start annoys you? Why should you have to drive at all? Perhaps they should allow to just press X and a random number generator will give you a time?
Not known a session where I’ve set fastest lap out of the box…some community bounty hunter events I may be 50 laps in having built a rhythm and got my eye in before I get where I want to be.
But perhaps I’m just bad at the game…
If being able to rewind to fix a bad turn 1 isn’t a problem, I don’t see how simply having the option to start a few turns back should be a problem. It seems like the same arguments either for or against should apply to both equally.
The problem with starting a few turns back is that it takes a lap to get your tires up to temp, and the temp of your tires has a large influence on the amount of grip available. Therefore it should never be set for you by the game.
A rewind is still rewinding to a point that YOU completed - no value was set for you.
The argument is consistent.
In my opinion, getting unlimited retries at one section of the track at optimal operating conditions without penalty is tremendous artificial value being given to you by the game. So much so that it’s not allowed anywhere else on the track. I suspect it’s actually a bug/oversight that it only dirties the previous lap and not the lap the rewind is initiated on.
As for tire warming it wouldn’t have to start at optimal, it could be cold temp or rolling start temp. No, you wouldn’t set the fastest time on first lap, but it would still be closer to your potential time rather than many seconds off, and would feel a lot better for many users. (Yes, feeling is important in user experience.)
For those saying the out lap is important there would be no downside to this option, you would just have a faster out lap time.
I agree with all of your points. I’m personally opposed to the fact you can rewind and repeatedly attempt turn 1 clean, and wouldn’t be opposed to a rolling start prior to the start/finish on cold tires.
You guys complaining about doing an out lap or reversing need to get over yourselves. You have wasted way more time moaning on this forum than you will ever do by doing an out lap.
I doubt anyone ever set their best lap on lap 1 or 2 except for the Nurburgring tracks.
If tyres were warm and everything was up to temperature no doubt you would be claiming the game was unrealistic and arcady!
There are many things that are wrong with the game but this is way down the list.