I’ve been playing this franchise since Forza 1. So don’t think I really need to ask this question, and I do understand that this game does take some time to get good at the game.
To find out how some people are getting such great lap times, all you have to do is watch a few videos on a certain video channel.
I wouldn’t say that I’m great at this game. If I really felt that way it would mean that I’m delusional. My best lap time on Sebring with the DBR9 maxed R with a lot of tuning and laps. I was able get it down to 2:00 and some change, automatic. I’m not bragging. just saying. Even with these new restrictions there are people that still get better lap times in an R than my best in a prototype.
Thank goodness for free play am I right?
Tune, setup and track knowledge.
I was doing some races in the new League Mode and had problems catching the top 3 in the Hot Hatch Icon class. I’d tuned a BMW that I felt was pretty good but the #1 guy drove a 1997 Civic. I had the car and downloaded his tune. He was still 2 seconds faster than me on Dubai.
The reason could be that I simply don’t know how to race on that track. Have a competitive car and the right setup sure helps but if you can’t drive the thing and know your way around the track it won’t get you far.
A quick car and the right tune, can only take you so far. Actually knowing how to exploit them to their max potential is the real skill in the game.
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Driving someone elses tune can be tricky, some use a wheel different steering input brake and throttle input and per controller has some differences in input too im sure! I have probably 15 top 5 times but i had to work on my tuning. Knowing the track is key! Im not saying to cut the track but some spots normal racers would consider “off the track” forza does not thats step one of learning any track for top times after that tune, brake points and car. as far as the car goes some try to “copy” the top cars stats ex: acc braking handling and speed. I try to find the best upgrades possible spending about 20 to a hour just using random combinations until im happy (or ill settle for a close to matching stats car of the top times) then its to the tuning!
Top times are shifting way late.
Manual with clutch is literally worth seconds. Convert to it and get used to it.
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Literally this… Going from automatic to manual/ clutch you’ll gain 2 to 4 seconds, depending on the track. If you struggle with clutch on controller (LB) switch it to the A button and use X and B as your gears.
That’s because you are using automatic and it shifts way too early before it would even get to the red line. You can sort of get away with it in the high classes but not in the lower ones.
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Koga, I race with automatic, not online but freeplay and career, which I’ve worked out to be about 7 seconds slower at Silverstone than some of the top runners (and this changes by track and division).
I would say that the following will help get faster times:
- Learn the track
- Get the best possible build
- Get the best tune for your driving style
- Continue driving the track
- Make adjustments to your tune and keep driving
If you fancy testing yourself against other people who hotlap, join us over here (Hot Lap Challenge). The only rules are: (1) run the track and division, (2) post your time in the thread. The competitions usually run between Sunday 11pm GMT to Sunday 11pm GMT. the people who run (and take part in) the competition are a friendly bunch often offering up tunes and encouragement.
^ It is not 7 seconds slower! 2-3 tops. Your driving may be 7 seconds slower but not using man clutch, no way! If you want to figure out exactly how much slower it actually is it can be figured out very simply. Take the car with the same build to the drag strip or test track etc. Preferable drag if it can still be done (i dont drag so i have no clue). Go full throttle at start with both cars, let auto shift and finish drag race. Then try again with manual with clutch. Take off at full throttle again and shift using the clutch and shift without lifting just above peak hp/torque. Subtract Automatic time from manual with clutch time, divide answer by total number of shifts. Multiply this number by total shifts at silverstone. this is how much faster it actually is.
Are you using the same build as anyone near the top of the leaderboard. This car is a really bad indication of how close you are as this is one of the cars where they use drag tyres to exploit it. This lowers pi to allow for more power etc and keep it in class. Cars like this need to be driven a specific way in order to exploit this.
I’ve been wondering this for a while and maybe you can help me to understand why is this an issue in the 1st place? I mean, why is there the need to leave everyone miles behind and get such great lap times? I thought this game is all about racing, so I assumed.
No one is going to deliberately drive slower just so someone can keep up with them, that’s extremely boring. Racing isn’t about people driving close to each other, it’s about competing to see who is the fastest.
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To reward players who like more of a challenge which manual shifting provides. The perk with manual shifting is reduced shift times and full control on when to shift.
A generic automatic transmission (whats in this game) won’t know which gear you need to be in for a particular corner. All it knows is to upshift at a certain RPM and downshift at a certain RPM. You can tune around this to an extent and with a good driver on some tracks a player can perform decently however most top tuners and drivers don’t tune for automatic.
Regardless of the reduced shift times, the generic automatic transmission should be slower simply due to problematic shift points.
For that reason alone, you should switch. You will also get the nice perk of reduced shift times.
Despite T10’s best efforts to show that the game isn’t about skill…it is all about skill when you dive deep into the racing against non-AI opponents. Been like this since I started in FM2.
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Make sure all your assists are turned off if you wanna compete with the big boys. ABS off, TCS and STM off, manual w/ clutch (in the controller settings switch the clutch to the A button so you can just mash A & X to downshift and A & B to upshift), steering can be left on normal and obviously you can still use the racing/braking line. After you’ve mastered all that then practice, practice, practice. Memorize every corner of every track and what gear to use in each corner and finally learn how to build and tune cars properly.
The reason they make it this way is so that people who have practiced and have learned to race with all the assists turn off are rewarded for doing so. I personally would be pissed if they made the game so that people using all or even some of the assist could be as fast as me after all the years of practice it’s taken me to get to where I am and I’m still not even a top 100 racer. Guys like ERS Bassman and ERS Chris 99 are still 1-2 seconds a lap faster than me.
I was in the same boat as you back in the day. I couldn’t figure out why everyone was so much faster than me in Forzas 1-4 but fortunately I had some tell me the same thing I told you in Forza 5.
If you need any help learning this stuff add me and send me a message on Xbox and I’ll help you out.
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I’m not talking about people slowing down so slower players can catch up. Racing is all about people driving close to each other.
Racing is best when everyone on the track is a threat. I’m not sure how long you’ve been playing the Forza motorsport franchise but
for all the years that I’ve been playing. The most exciting races that I’ve taken part in were close, even last place finished not long after
1st crossed the finish line.
Sounds like your more upset with how the groups are classed than the perk that comes from manual. You are right, racing would be better if they did a better job of grouping skills. Right now there is leagues but this does a fair job at best of putting people with the groups they should be with.
I would prefer a handicap system, where your win and podium determine the pi handicap applied or a delayed start.
This would only further compound the current issues with the racing system. People would have to try even harder over a short period of laps and require even more cutting or pushing to get back to the front.
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Um… No thanks. If someone wants to win they need to get good.
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