I will make this short. This is the worst racing game on the market. The whole game cheats from the AI to the prizes give out. The Ai have unlimited speed and grip in any kind of weather. The prizes like clothes are useless and some of the cars you get are useless, The customizations and livery are in the stone age. The people that bought this game to get into sim racing are in for a nasty surprise, The developers of this game are idiots.
Why would you play a game you hate this much for 105 days though?
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Wow, Horizon 4 is among best racing games ever and in many aspects the best. You must played something else I guess.
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Also why would you buy FH4 if you wanted a sim racing game?
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Ok, I’m convinced. We’re all in for a nasty surprise. Especially those of you who have been playing for years. Just wait til you find out how bad this game is. (???)
Can someone please let AquaPainter know that the livery system just doesn’t work. And those PTG guys too.
I’m going to be busy tonight tuning up an Alfa Romeo 33 Stradale because I’m done stomping the unbeatable AI with my GT40.
Thank you
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How did my name get into this thread?.. because I like the livery editor?
I like the livery editor!
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Sorry AquaPainter, lol. No disrespect intended at all. OP stated the livery creator was in “the stone age” which implied was substandard or otherwise unworkable. I was calling you out in particular because you do amazing work with a “stone age” livery editor. Could have also used Midnyte and others, but well, you literally have “Painter” in your name, so I felt you were a better example. lol
Lol, no problem. The livery editor is hard to use, but that makes it better.
If you cannot win against the AI then i suggest you turn down the difficulty level to “New Racer” instead of “Pro”.
If you still cannot win against the AI at “New Racer” then i suggest you don’t try and play racing games.
As for cars, they are what you make them. If you run them stock and expect to beat others who have brought tuned cars along, then your in for a flogging to say the least.
A person who plays sim racing should have absolutely no problems playing this game.
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Worst on the market, huh?
Playground Games is literally laughing all the way to the bank.
Fascinating to see so many people who clearly hate this game, detest the developers, and hating on it all ad nauseum for not being some other specific game continue to spend an ungodly amount of time playing the hell out of it.
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Imagine buying Horizon titles for sim racing. Bro you stoned?
Imagine buying any game expecting it to be tailored to your exact needs!
This game has it flaws, i’ve discussed them with developers at playground. Especially regarding accessibility and guess what, soon after an accessibility option appeared in the main menu. Thing is if you’re gonna throw wild claims like “worst game ever” you better A: have something to back it up, and B: expect a response on the games official forums that’s not gonna be to your liking!
“New Racer” is sometimes harder than “Expert”. Think some Player set to “New Driver” and drive like pros then this feeds the Drivatars. Dont use the most powerful Car, Disable Rewind, Learn to Drive, Keep Cool and most important use your Brakes, wasnt able to beat the AI at beginning. But they make Mistakes or slowdown so wait for it sometimes they brake 100m before finish. Set to harder and do it again, play Online vs PPL this tells you how easy the AI is. Look what Cars they use. Play “Rivals” look how other PPL drive. Then u can beat the AI on “Unbeatable” too. There is some learning curve…
So many Players better but AI is no Problem anymore. The worst part for me is now PPl’s Messages “Bla you are Cheating” when u beat them
The Clothes are fillers for the WheelSpins at start when u have everything u get Money/Cars only
I’ve played >500Hours >72Hours online and there is always something to learn… Tell me some other RacingGame with this amount of Cars wich lets u create own Tracks and so on, its one of the buggiest Games but not the worst
Urban myth. The drivatars don’t use real data any more, they’re entirely artificial. They are horrible to drive against and are basically like mobile roadblocks or griefers, they are quite possibly the one thing that actually is the worst in the genre. But really, playing against AI in a game like this is not the best way to play it - so it isn’t something that matters much to me.
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Not sure about this. It shows some behavior seen in onlineplaying on straight line they ram u or they dont move at start. Makes no real sense to develop something like this so pretty sure its somehow trained. Its easier to build some AI wich drives the Idealline without the stupid/useless behaviors. But who cares online is more fun
Makes no sense, that is for shure. When out in free roam, every move the AI-cars does is meant to block you. Ive even been rammed by meeting cars that crossed the road to sabotage me. Lately Ive allso seen parked cars that suddenly rocket-starts to hit me.
This game is so full of unneccesary evil & cheats that I kind of agree with OP. Why can`t they (playground) just focus on clean pure good racing?
Hard to say. I don’t see any correlation but T10 are still saying it’s trained on data from Xboxes. It’s possible to train it but still you can’t use it fully so maybe they train but result is very generic. I can’t really see any human part in AI. In Motorsport they just ignore you even they have one eye. I don’t know, New racer is my usual difficulty because I don’t care about AI in Forzas 
And Horizon has somehow better AI.
Easy AI could be hard when you don’t react to increase difficulty message. And 1/3 of the race AI is very fast, second 1/3 they are normal and last 1/3 they are slower. It’s very unintuitive and not much fun if you don’t know it. And there is a catchup too. It could be fun but from sim racing perspective it’s very bad because your opponents are able to do WR lap times. It doesn’t make any sense for normal racing.
I’m with you there, FN.
My last couple runs in the Trial, I feel like the AI needed a blood-alcohol test afterward. It was insane. Crashing sideways, shooting across the roadway. It settled down after the first two turns I imagine. Was past them by then, but yeah, whatever program/algorithm they use had something screwy going. It is typically a little “what the?” but this was the worst I had seen.
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People will believe what they want to believe, at the end of the day, like with lots of things in life.
Some of them are slow at the start to block you so their ‘mates’ can get a head start - they even do this in non-team events. Braking when you get behind them to slow you down, because they have no care about winning, only about getting in your way. All the AI does this. Most real players do not.
My belief is that many if not all the people involved with this game are programmers first and gamers / racers second, if at all. The person / people who designed the AI don’t know anything about how real world people race or drive.
Another thing that proves the AI is not based on real data: they all know when you are aiming for them - they have a sixth sense. Or more accurately, the game tells them what you, the player, are doing, ie. it works out that at your current speed and trajectory you are going to ram them, so they magically brake just in time to avoid you etc. Happens again and again. It’s fake and feels fake.
I’ll call it now, Motorsport 8 will be no better, it will be a mediocre game with a slightly fresh layer of gloss again. I hope I’m wrong but I won’t be.
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