Getting really close to being done with Xbox

Forza Motorsport Forza Motorsport (2023) Discussion
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While Forza Motorsport isn’t perfect and lacks certain features, many have made that clear since launch, I personally love the game. Bought the ultimate edition, glad I did. The idea of it being support for the long term certainly is wonderful…

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^^^ If this turns out to be true, then Im done with Xbox. It is painfully obvious that Microsoft only cares about endless revenue rather than providing anything worthwhile. They expect this game to make just as much profit as Horizon 5??? You mean the game that has a wider appeal by default? OF COURSE this game will not match Horizon in profits, that too is painfully obvious to anyone with a brain.

Motorsport is one of my favourite game series of all time and that continues with the newest iteration, even with its flaws, but Microsoft seems dedicated to ruin everything they have under their control. Halo Infinite finally was getting good, they basically ended support. MCC was the perfect Halo platform, they ended support because it wasn’t making endless revenue (Microsoft even suggested purchasable Spartan Points which is pathetic). Now they are considering doing the same exact thing to Forza Motorsport. Supposedly they are waiting until the first year is over to consider axing support, but I called that a while ago, because I have seen how Xbox is operating now. My guess is the first year will happen and support will be dropped immediately, because that’s just how Xbox do now. Forza and Halo will be abandoned, but spending $70 billion to buy Call of Duty? Genius. That series has no worries, it makes billions off of the horrendous bundles and Microsoft loves that.

I am not happy.

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Means what? Can you use words that are allowed?

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If this is considered ““speculation””, then Turn 10 should directly comment on it, because Tom Henderson is pretty well known for having connections and his info much more often than not turns out to be accurate. This isn’t just some random internet garbage, I wouldn’t have posted this if it was. Everything he has said lines up with how Microsoft has been operating as of late. Removing the image doesn’t instill any confidence in me.

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My guess is there will be a new Forza Horizon 6 in the year 2026.

But it will take a few years more before there will be a new Forza Motorsport. Because it is a GaaS it will probably be 2030. And they will keep updating the current one until that not kidding.

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I can only hope. What you just said, that’s exactly what I want. I want this game to be supported for a long time. New tracks, eventually car packs if they add those, Ill buy all of those because thats how much I love the series. The idea of one game being supported for a long time is highly preferable nowadays, but I just don’t know if Microsoft cares. Unless the the tweet was somehow fake, which, if it is, then I am a grade-A dumba$$, but I would be relieved at least.

I guess take all of this with a grain of salt because Im just a clinically depressed, autistic dingus who get’s paranoid easily.

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It’s not lucrative to release these FM games so often. FH sure but NOT FM.

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Not sure. FH5 (Playground Games) has a contract for 3 years until they stop main development, they still support minor bug fixed and recycled content update afterwards (see FH4).
As far as leaks have shown, FM has a 5 year contract or some kind of agreement or plan for the next 5 years. I don’t know much about it, but to me it seems a bit exaggerated to stop support if there is too little revenue, obviously they stop if the game goes into negative numbers or is a total flop, but FM is kind of doing ok. At launch it was one of the most popular games, mostly due to Game Pass, but a lot of people still bought the game and at least I think the game has generated enough revenue to pay itself off.

(keep in mind, we only have official player numbers for steam, we don’t know how many people play the game on XBox consoles, but we do know that it is significantly more than on PC)

My personal speculation for the title is that development is going to creep forward and every few months is going to be a bigger update. They will probably also, like FH5, soon introduce car packs and maybe other DLCs.
Though I’m not sure if this is going to be the last Forza Motorsport. They could definitely release a new game in 7 years or so, but it is most likely going to be a flop again, we haven’t seen a stable, non-bugged Forza Game since FH3 in 2016, so I’m not expecting anything from Microsoft/XBox anymore.

I still think FM will have a mediocre development until it’s done in a few years and the devs move on to a new project, whatever that may be.

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Halo infinite released in 2021 and got a big update just last month and new cosmetics, why do people use that game as an example of microsoft “abandoning games after one year”

This post seems ridiculous imo

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It’s 2024 and people still have faith in Xbox? I thought Starfield was reason enough to make everyone but the fiercest console warriors abandon the brand.

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I don’t really have a say in this thread as I refused to buy / get FMH8 due to previous disappointments in FM & FH but I will say that this part of the posts on this thread in the quoted section below are the most important part.
Particularly the FH3 section. FM & FH have failed miserably since FM4 & FH3 and it’s clear that it is all about the money over providing a good game for the players. Once they get the money sorted they bail and just drip feed useless updates and - No they don’t fix all the problems that people are having. They just mark them as solved without a resolution and move them into the “to do” list or just say they can’t see it happening so it’s not an issue. Had one running in FH5 for well over a year now that they just took that same stance. They try to say they care but really son’t give a gnat’s left “bit”.

The new release times on both have dropped significantly (was 2 years between each in the past) so I guess FH will be at least a couple of years away now - 2025 looking doubtful.
FM took a long hiatus whilst saying it was going to be the best and most ultimate version yet (hence the supposed reason for the delay) but in the end was way worse and way more bugged than anything since FM4. FH4 & 5 were just as bad as far as playability and bugs.

Basically, MS have lost complete interest in making the games something that people want to play and are only interested in the dollars on launch day.
From what I’ve read the player engagement, FMH8 has dropped to virtually nothing and the only reason FH5 is still up there is because of that. FH4 & 3 in particular have way better appreciation with FH3 topping them both.

FM4 & FH3 were the last decent iterations of both games and everything since has been on a tee-tray down the edge of the mountain ever since.
They need to realise the market they had, listen to the players and start making games that people want. That’s the only way they’ll keep making the dollars but by now it will take a lot of effort into the next two to get the players faith back.

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Fixed this for you.

But in all seriousness, what’s even the point in beating this same dead horse when it comes to video games? Any disappointing game release always breeds comments on social media with people speculating that devs will abandon the game.

Its always the same and the result is always the same, either the devs do, or they dont. These comments will never make it so. making the same comments on social media for whatever the next disappointing release is just seems so pointless to me. I really can’t imagine the motivation.

It isnt constructive, and it isnt some valuable commentary/insight on whatever game they’re predicting doom and gloom about. Its just the millionth identical comment about a different proper noun that failed to live up to a persons expectations.

Just my 2c and im officially out on this thread.

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Because thats the last big update for that game. Halo infinite is what it is now.

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Concur, 2 of my favourite long time running games that still receive regular updates, Warframe, DayZ. Not to everyone’s taste in games, I’ve been playing them for years.

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The vast majority of content Infinite has gotten this year is community made forge maps. It’s nice to get them for sure, but I don’t think that’s a fantastic look for 343 either.

I wouldn’t say it “was abandoned after one year” or at all really, but it took a long time for it to get in a good place and then it appears that official support is winding down.

Infinite has way more players than FM8 and paid cosmetics to bring in money constantly, so I’d be surprised to see FM8 get support for a long time. But anything is possible I guess.

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Because of another new “Build from the ground up.” :joy:

I personally hope that the support of this Forza Motorsport will stop as soon as possible. The game can no longer be saved, even if it is a little better than it was at the beginning.

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Not a reason for me.I don’t have interest in those fantasy ‘space’ games.I am quite happy with fm23,other than the lack of tracks and the fomo events.The events they add should stay in playlist to add content.I don’t understand why in a game lacking content they would remove them in the first place,silly decision.

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Please start using a SPACE after using “Comma” and “Full Stops”. It just keeps hurting eyes. Is pressing space too much to ask?

Punctuation is a thing and it hurts eyes if you don’t. LEARN IT.

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Thats a bit of a selfish attitude dont you think? What about the people who enjoy the game? Calling for support for something to stop because you dont like it is a bit poor.

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I agree with most of what you’re saying, but not the last paragraph.

FH4 and FH5 are very similar in the development stages → bugged release, first big update after a few months, 2 DLCs, and a last bigger update before the game gets minimal support until next title. Overall a stable and finished game after 2 years

FH3 was really the last FH from the last generation, I like to mark it as: FH1 - 1st gen; FH2 & FH3 - 2nd gen; FH4 & FH5 - 3rd gen.
The reason is that with FH4 the Horizon Series has gotten a lot of changes - longer development stage and support, more bigger updates. While FH1, 2 & 3 had 1 to 2 DLCs, FH4 & 5 had at least 2 + big updates, eg. FH4 = the festival playlist and later the eliminator or FH5 = the anti lag and physics/effects that came with Rally Adventure and later EventLab 2.0.

The way the Horizon games have being developed has changed, but not only to the worse, how it’s portrayed by many YouTubers. It is true that over the years Microsoft has put more stress on the developer studios (T10 & PGG), but the studios themselves have done an amazing job at keeping the games running. My main concern is time, the CEOs want to bring the games out asap before investors loose interest, but the studios can’t deliver that fast. I mean there is a reason why GTA6 needs 10 years and not 2 or 3, and will probably be delayed too. The latest FM is really a new standard of disappointment, eg. no new features less content than ever. But before FM, the series has always been pretty good at balancing quality and content quantity. From FM4 to 5 there was a lot of content lost, but quality went up and with FM6 & 7 they delivered more content sadly though never reached the extent of FM4’s Eventlist.

The way that the Horizon series evolved when talking about game play aspects was not bad. EventLab, Eliminator + 2.0, graphics, car sounds, map size, physics (specifically off road).
There are also downsides to that, like a very minimalist story line, not updated car models, recycled content and some other things people subjectively find bad.
And neutral things that get criticized, like road width, eg. the widest roads in any Horizon are in FH2 in Nizza/Nice, but nobody ever talks about those 2 lane old town roads that could house 6 lanes. Or the engine sounds in FH3 which are over 90% synthesized, but there are people that think those are better than FH5, I’m just going to claim that this is objectively wrong… lol.

I also think Motorsport and Horizon should be criticized more separately, because PGG is a British developer studio and therefore has different working environment and freedoms than T10 in the US, which might be one of the reasons FH does better than FM. PGG is also a lot bigger in employee count. Microsoft still has the same say about release dates which is a huge problem, but not about studio internal structures so much.

Imo, the only “real” problem that Horizon has, is the bad decisions about release dates and minimal to non game testing before release. If PGG never were part of Microsoft they would probably deliver more complete games, but also less. Of course ignoring that without Microsoft they would have never gotten the license for “Forza”. (as a side note: the devs who quit PGG a few months ago will probably release a pretty stable and finished The Crew and Forza Horizon competitor in a few years, assuming they are not under some release date contracts.)

As a note at the end:
I never really played FH4 because I only listened to negative criticism at that time and even though I experienced near to no bugs, the game didn’t do it for me. Half a year before FH5 came out I started playing FH4 weekly and realized how much progress there was made since launch. It finally felt like the game was worth 80 bucks. I would really suggest you to get into FH5, since launch the game has delivered so much free content, even if you don’t buy the car packs and car pass or expansions, there is so many things you just can’t do/experience in previous titles.

Sorry for the long comment, I just think this debate is very biased. It’s ok to not like the game and not play the game, but don’t focus on the bad things exclusively. The Horizon series has come a far way. I’m still hugely concerned for Motorsport after the latest title released.

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