Eliminator has TOO much RNG

Battle Royale games always had an element of RNG to them. The loot, where the circle goes, etc.

But the Eliminator has TOO much and it punishes players in multiple ways for no reason.

For example, the visibility in the game is pretty awful when you put it in the context of a race. One of the game’s lethal traps are the trees, but it’s kind of hard to avoid them when they’re placed in large clusters of what seems like breakable flora. The point of the trees is to make sure you drive carefully to avoid hitting them, but it’s not even fair when the tree is hidden behind several clearly breakable bushes. The farm crops as well, it’s no big deal in freeroam, but your vision is PAINFULLY obstructed when driving through them. Don’t get me started on the jungle swamp area south of the map, you’re basically blind. No amount of slowing down and cautious driving can save you from a tree stump.

There’s also the breakable props too. I hate how much they slow you down, it’s waaaay too much for an arcade racer. And coinciding with the nightmare that is the jungle section, the “pile of logs and branches” is VERY broken. You could hit them going 100+ MPH with a battering ram and you’ll still lose over three quarters of your momentum as well as careening off it and getting sent into the nearest tree. There’s no way you can tell when you’re going to run into them either, they blend in perfectly with the ground.

Then we have the final race. In FH4 it worked well. It wasn’t perfect, but it had a decent level of consistency and majority of the players would have a good idea of where the circle is going to be. If the circle ended up in the top left corner of the map, the final point was going to be the bottom right. But with FH5, it’s all wrong. The final point can go absolutely ANYWHERE, it’s a total crapshoot and requires WAAAAY too much luck.

Think of it this way:

You’re inside the circle, and have 30 seconds to decide where you think the finish will end up. You’re stuck deciding where it is while cautiously cruising in the general direction you think has the biggest chance. But then you hit the border before the counter is finished and you’re forced to stop and give up all that momentum. Then the countdown hits zero and your floor it, only to discover the circle is in the complete opposite direction and not only did the lucky ones pick right, they’re naturally ahead of you because they were on the opposite side of the circle. You have 0.0001 chance of winning. All 12 drivers somehow have to mess up and crash while you don’t crash either. It’s impossible, you might as well give up right there.

Factoring in Forza Horizon’s sluggish (but still amazing) simcade physics where anything from a sudden change in elevation to clipping a solid object immediately costs you the race, it’s way too much.

I propose:

It’s always the Dry Season in Eliminator (no farm crops, riverbeds, majority of bushes and breakable trees are gone)
Props slow you down MUCH MUCH MUCH less, especially THE BRANCHES AND LOGS
At the final race, you get a preview of the finish line and it’s location ahead of time
Maybe further physics tuning exclusively for the Eliminator just for heavier gravity and better traction, RWD cars are useless and should be avoided like the plague

It’s super frustrating to be an aggressive, risky player taking out several players only to quickly lose the final race due to it ending up in a place I’m not expecting. I want to lose to a better player, not any of the technical garbage that plagues this mode.

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yes

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Seconded.

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I disagree, your problems with the game mode are what makes it interesting. Drops are random but you don’t have to collect them, you can stick to challenging others and taking their car if you don’t get a decent drop nearby. Obstructions give you a choice of taking the risk or going for a less risky route. Yes there’s luck in that but what would you expect going 100mph in the direction the bird flies.

I’ve now won 3 eliminator games having expected to win none because I rarely play any online competitive gaming. My wins have come from combinations of luck and skill and persistence. I’ve had someone deliberately wait on the highway with a level 10 car, challenge me and then race off out of site, only for me to beat them by about 1/10th of a second because I’ve not given up and driven well cross country where they’ve been too risky. You can always take a slight deviation to your route to avoid the worst obstructions.

My last 2 wins came from the level 10 hoonigan, one from stealing it with a level 6 car right near the final, the other by winning a number of races and upgrading each time. The final race is always going to be a gamble, you look at the map and guess the most likely direction, which will always be one of two really. The small circle is never right in the middle of the map, so you’re going east or west, it’s just whether you’re also going north or south. Give yourself the best chance by being ready to go on a road as soon as the boundary lifts.

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Yeah, some people like that kind of gamepaly. I don’t, too much luck vs. skill.

If it’s skill you’re after there are far better modes than eliminator, or anything that involves cross country driving. I much prefer road and street racing myself but eliminator is fun for being different.

I never liked Eliminator. H5 version is even worse like OP said. I will try it but it won’t probably work for me. Great somebody likes it as a different kind of gameplay.

I won 15 Eliminatiors (with 120 H2H wins) and I’m definitely not a good driver. I’m fine with how the things are right now. Invisible lobbies are what bothers me most.

I agree on the part with visibility and breakable stuff, but can’t agree on “final circle” and “one season”.
seasons - It adds variety to gameplay. I was pleasantly surprised to find out I can drown in the river south-east from Mulege. Although I would change it to random season every game and not fixed to festival season for one week.
final circle - If it would be known where final destination is, than there would be no chance to win in lower level car. I understand that sometimes you need some luck with picking directions, but IMO it is ok the way it is.

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although it does involve RNG map knowlodge is also very important as my first win in the eliminator was with a LV2 car not because of luck but because i knew mulege had a lot of walls so it was better to take the roads and so the lv10 and 9 cars that took the cross country route lost

What’s RNG?

Random number generator, ie. in this context, random things you have little or no control over.

Random Number Generation I.e. the luck of what spawns and where, and how the game picks the circles and final destination.

It’s luck in Nerds language.

Even more people coming around to the way I see things. Lets hope if enough of us complain, changes will be made.

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But people complain about lots of things. Also how are they supposed to fix something that is good for some (inexperience one) and bad for others (veterans)? Should we really allow DaReo to win games easier? Should we allow him to win anymore Eliminators? :stuck_out_tongue:

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Hell I’ve actually found myself sticking to the roads just to avoid the logs lol. I’ll adapt, I always do but I hate those logs and I’ve said it from the very first eliminator I played in this new game. Momentum killing objects are all around the map, the fences slow you down way more in this game too. I’m closing in on 200 wins but as I’ve told others, I’m not enjoying this game as much as I thought or hoped I would. I’m just playing it to pass the time. My win rate would be alot higher if i could see all the other players but apparently thats too much to ask. Its sad really…a long fall from FH4.

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I wish I could challenge you in a game of eliminator. I was a god at it in FH4. I also remember you from FH4 and as hard as it is for me to admit I will say you were better than me at CC lol. I still remember one race we had together back in the day where your lines were so perfect. Like a level above grand master perfect. Ahhh those were the days… RIP ranked

I did GM quite a few times but that was after thousands of hours of play. I had the routes memorized especially those in freeroam. There was a lot of heartache and pain but ranked made a lot of us better drivers. Ranked is where I lived after retiring from Eliminator. 2323 wins, eliminator is the only thing keeping me on this game but at the current rate I won’t be around long enough to get a 3rd of that total.

OK so RNG is what I like about Eliminator! It’s a great part of the game! Giving everyone a chance to win at the end is very fair.

It was called RND when I worked in games by the way.