I want to use the cockpit view, as i get a much better feel for the steering and the track limits 8also the sound is so much better!)
But in some/most cars, the rear view mirrors are just outside my field of view. It feels like i just need to pull the seat back a little, to be able to see the mirror closest to the steering wheel. The oposite side, i need to turn, to look at it.
I have figured out that i can use the right stick and point left+front or right+front, to look inside the cockpit and at the mirrors, but pointing this, while trying to stay on track, is difficult for me.
Is there a way to at least change this, so that i can look at the side mirrors, by simply pointing the right stick left & right to look at the mirrors (at the moment it will look straight out the car) or how are you guys doing this?
I feel i am missing out on the traffic around me, and also that i ought to keep an eye on other drivers to be safe
Imo there is no safe way to race in any view other than outside the car. I understand and agree that it’s a more immersive experince racing in car but it’s just an accident waiting to happen in the public hoppers I see it all to often
I have to disagree with you. I race in cockpit and have no problem you just have to be more aware of what is around you by using mirrors and right thumb stick.
My accidents generally occur when someone runs into the back of me because they cannot see the front of the car because of Mario cart view.
From my experince there are 2 reasons people hit the back of someone else
The person in front is breaking very early or inconstantly
The person behind try’s to out break the car in front
That’s assuming fowl play and incompetence are not factors. I have no issue getting up close and drafting right till the last minute.
It’s alot better in cockpit view with the arrows and like I said it is a better experience but I will never get the same special awareness from cockpit as I do outside the car. I would go as far to say that cockpit, bonnet and road views are all potential faster than outside the car in there own way, but I know I would be part of more accidents I see it happen all the time.
When you say you see it often and all the time how do you know what view other players are using,do you ask them or just observe their driving style and come to a conclusion?
I am sure sure there is a lot of in cockpit drivers who would take offense at being labelled an accident waiting to happen.
I drive in real life so I am aware of my surroundings all the time but to someone who doesn’t I can see how it could be a problem.
I guess it’s what the player gets used to at the end of the day but nobody is perfect and we all make mistakes.
To the op my advise is to keep an eye on the distance meter in the bottom left corner to judge if the car/car’s behind are closing in on you.
A quick flick of the right stick in any direction should give you the info you need,no need to stare at it. With practice it becomes more natural.
It’s pretty obvious when someone is driving cockpit mode, because they’ll turn into you as if you’re not there. It’s also easy to tell the difference between someone trying to wreck or block you and someone who clearly doesn’t see where you’re at on the track. I agree with Tyskie, I see it all the time. An I don’t know why cockpit drivers get so defensive when this is pointed out. It’s just common sense that 3rd person view is going to give you way more track awareness than cockpit view.
It was just his opinion no need to start an argument. My guess on who runs cockpit vs other views would be based off the private leagues that I have raced. In them about 40% run cockpit, 40% run 1 of the 2 outside views, and 20% like to run hood/bonnet view. I would hazard a guess that it is close to the same numbers in regular hoppers. As to who caused the most accidents? Probably the drivers with less experience, or chose car that they can’t handle ( but it’s a LB car ), or they have consumed a few too many beverages. Of course, just an opinion, and I run cockpit view.
I race cockpit and feel the same. Makes me dizzy to try and use the side mirrors that aren’t placed well. I mostly race in hoppers that have more than 2 -3 laps so I will not be overly aggressive at turn 1. I also pay attention to the proximity markers and mini-map to see how many cars are around me. Helps if you are very comfortable in the car that you have chosen to race with online too.
You cannot adjust the FOV. Personally I had to start using hood view because the rear view mirror is terrible in cockpit view for most cars. It SHOULD be clear to see at all times so you can just glance at it instead of moving around the right thumb stick. I don’t know why they do things like this, it’s like the person who designed it hasn’t driven a real car before.
I wouldn’t even bother with the mirror, it’s too much of a pain to get it in screen and get a look at it without being completely disoriented. I find it easier to just pull straight back on the joystick to get a look behind me. Racing cockpit is awesome but u have to use the right stick a lot.
I think maybe they did this to provide a move expansive visual purview for those cockpitters like myself. I often see this issue but rely instead on look back or look left or right using the right thumb stick. Stick with cockpit view as it’s really the only way to experience the glories of sim racing, all other views are for amateurs IMO.
no its not easy, they added the arrow indicators so you know where cars are around you, unless you turn them off. Yes I get offended when people try and put themselves above others claiming their way is better or causes less problems. Its simply a matter of choice, I started with overhead view myself then switched because I wanted it more realistic, just a choice. I agree with the guy who stated most crashes happen because they cant handle the car regardless of view. I will add to that by saying patience is also a problem , guys with the win at all costs mentality, diving inside you and braking late to use you for a berm. I have seen this hundreds of times as I have been racing many classes for many years. This has NOTHING to do with view. Now just one last point, a lot of people dont want to hear or choose not to hear that when you first loaded F6 a little ad popped up saying forza recieved a award for best " SIM " of the year. Not arcade game or the made up word simcade, it was SIM. Dont blame the cockpit drivers for the majority of crashes because they want the full racing experience.
No one is blaming them for the majority of crashes. The only point I made was that they do, unquestionably, cause more crashes than they would if driving in third person. Because, again common sense, you have more spatial awareness driving in third person. The difference is so huge and has such a direct effect on collisions, I am honestly confused why anyone would argue otherwise. And maybe the reason it’s not easy for you to tell when someone is driving cockpit is because you’re driving cockpit. If you could actually see how other cars are moving on the track better, you would be able to spot them quite easily.
Again, don’t be so defensive and offended. I am not putting myself above anyone. But this is not a debatable point.
on a lot of cars I can take a quick peek in mirror to see who or if someone is flying up behind me, whats your field of vision behind without hitting back on stick? add arrows my visions fine, just like driving a car as I have been doing for decades. Using your statement " CLEARLY " I can see just fine. have you ever drove a car yet, or are you to young? Guess you missed the. part where I said I started overhead view. I did not switch on day 2, it was over 2 years, I am very aware of both views are you? I will admit at takeoff with a full crowd it is better overhead, after 1st corner its irrelavent, unless you lack the experience of knowing how to drive a real car. from that standpoint I understand your confusion. heres an idea, just let it rest. stop trying to defend your buddy for a statement he probably should not had said. Go out and try and recover your rep. Avoid me could be a problem , especially for a guy talking about crashes : (
Jesus now you’re just straight up insulting? Calm down dude. In cockpit mode, yes you have the proximity arrows, but that only tells you the general location of cars around you, not how they’re moving. You can’t see what their braking is like or what sort of apex they’re going for. And in any case, you get the arrows in 3rd person as well, so the point is moot. The idea is not that it’s impossible for cockpit drivers to be aware of their surroundings, it’s that 3rd person drivers generally have more at their disposal that allows them to be more aware. And that point I think is just plain obvious. I’m not even doubting your ability personally. You very well could be very good and aware in cockpit mode. That doesn’t mean everyone else is. And if you consider yourself an above average driver, then you can’t dispute that most other drivers are going to be worse with spatial awareness than you are. In any case, why you’re just straight up deciding that we are lying about our experiences is just confusing. I literally had it happen to me twice in one race just now. I’ve seen Raceboy and SuperGT make exactly the same observations in their videos. Literally saying “woops there’s another blind cockpit driver,” so this is not exactly an outlandish observation like you’re making it seem.
And for the record, I’m 24 years old dude. You’re the one making childish insults and getting upset over a discussion about a video game.
ok, last statement. whats your solution. should cockpit player drivers quit playing multiplayer or should turn ten eliminate that view all together ? Hey now dont forget about bumper and hood cam, terrible views, gotta go. ( And of course these masters of the track can distiguish between all these views just by watching). Kids, oh my, the worst drivers, sorry gotta go. I mean its all about making some happy right. Just take out those views and kids, crashing greatly reduced right. All problems solved. I mean why not just go to top 1% and let them decide what everyone likes right. why allow players to use assists, or build or even tune. that should all be decided by the chosen ones. The rest are just peons and should have no say. what a fantastic game it would be. For 1%. yeeaaa
Wow, you seem very angry man. Again, all I said was that it is correct that cockpit drivers have fewer tools to give them spatial awareness, and that leads to more wrecks than there otherwise would be. That’s it.
As far as my “solution”? No, obviously I don’t think cockpit view should be removed from the game. I enjoy driving in it from time to time and it is a fun and more realistic experience. I totally get why people would prefer it. Do I wish more people used 3rd person in multiplayer? Yes, but they shouldn’t be required to. The only other thing I wish would change is that cockpit drivers admit that this affects their spatial awareness, be more careful having knowledge of that, and apologize when they cause collisions as a result of it. Basically the opposite of the way you’re reacting by getting extremely angry and defensive and claiming that this never causes a problem despite the fact that it is literally a daily occurrence in my and many others’ experience.