Living proof that there are fast, clean racers out there in leagues! Okay, this footage is taken from pinnacle but the point stands!
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Pinnacle is clean when there aren’t free DLC’s on the line.
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Most of the time yeah, it’s the starts that are an issue. People can’t see past the first 3 corners. I thought the driving standards were questionable full stop but it turns out there are some great racers out there!
I remember one day when I was in a lobby with one of the marshals during the Formula Ford league; this was also in pinnacle. It was some of the best racing that I have ever experienced. These were 20+ person races and at least 5 times out of 10 we’d get around the first corner with next to no one spinning out. For Forza standards that was astonishing.
The first 6 places in the pinnicle leagues are nearly always top racing. I only have trouble when I fail to obtain a clean lap and end up in the middle of the grid. What grinds me about that is when your in the middle of the pack with people who have been 3 seconds off the pace for 5 races in a row they continue to try and battle with you. I wish they would understand that and give a little bit more room so that the faster racers can race with people there own pace
As one of those slow guys I’d like to respond…
If you set up a skillful, clean pass, I will be mindful of your presence and be gracefully overtaken. I’ll probably even be so surprised by your patience and skill that I’ll send you a kudos after the race.
That said, it is NOT my obligation to let you by. I will race you, and I will drive in a way that seeks to nullify your advantage. So if I have a power advantage I’m going to move to the inside before a corner and force you outside, park my car on the apex, and make you run all the way around me.
So many fast guys don’t understand that you can’t set up a run on the car in front of you if you’re glued to their bumper all the way around the track. This almost always leads to the slow guy getting punted in a braking zone where the fast guy doesn’t realize that maybe the slow guy isn’t braking quite as late.
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Fast guys understand perfectly well how early/late slower guys break. Sticking on the bumper should force the guy in front to break late creating space on the inside. Applying pressure can be just as effective as getting along side some and in spec is usually the only option to create an opportunity.
At the end of the day I don’t want to hold anyone up I’d much rather race people my own skill level and if that means letting the likes of rossi Tekkerz and lightning past so they can have an epic battle at the front then so be it I will find a race further down the grid
But it’s racing, not a time trial, you’re supposed to hold people up as long as you’re within the bounds of actual racing etiquette.
You being on my bumper isn’t going to make me want to brake later. Because unless you’re trying to win a braking duel, that you can’t win because you’re on my bumper, I’m probably going to brake earlier to force you to run at a slower pace. Because pressure works both ways, if I frustrate you because you can’t get a clean passing opportunity you’re also likely to make a mistake that goes in my favor. Also, because faster people are generally faster because they can corner better, forcing you to run at my pace means that I can beat you.
There’s more to racing than fast lap times.
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If that’s how u want to win races that’s your choice but I would be ashamed to win under those circumstances
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I wouldn’t. That’s a completely legitimate way to win a race.
As long as you aren’t weaving back and forth, trying to block the guy behind you, and as long as you are simply just picking a line and sticking to it, I have no problem with that. It’s on the racer trying to make a pass to actually make a pass. I learned that a couple of years ago while racing my friend Breeze. I used to let him pass me unchallenged because I knew how much faster he was than me, but he ended up telling me to stop doing that lol.
Now, I don’t care how fast a driver is, if he wants to pass me, it’s on him to pass me. I will make it extremely difficult and won’t give it up without a fight, but I’ll do so cleanly and give as much respect as I possibly can.
EDIT: I should also add that I am one of the faster GT racers and there are only a handful of GT drivers who are significantly faster than I am where a scenario like I mentioned actually happens. For the most part, I’m racing against people at my skill level and thusly, where my line of thinking in terms of defensive driving comes into to play.
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OK, so I’m curious… As far as you’re concerned, there should be no strategy in racing? If I’m a little quicker than you, you’ll “let me pass”? And if you’re a little quicker than me, I should let you pass? And you wouldn’t be ashamed to win because the other guy Let You Pass???
Not everyone can be intimidated into making a mistake by riding on his bumper. When you come across a good driver like that, you have to time your move. Often, that means slowing and giving a bit of a gap going into a turn, so you can carry more speed and pass they guy once you’re out of the turn. Can’t do that if you’re riding his bumper.
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If your 3 seconds off the pace as i orginally said and your holding someone up particularly at the beginning of a race you should get out the way. Your race and statagy should be aimed at those that are on pace with you. All you are doing is stopping someone from having a closer battle with whoever is at the front. The clean lap issue that I was reffering to originally is just bad luck that can be made 10 times worse by thinking that you can now race this person that finished 20 seconds ahead of you on a 10 lap race and a best lap 3 seconds quicker than yours. I dunno if your 3 second’s off the pace but surly you see that the situation I describe is just desperate tactics in race that you have no chance of winning or sustaining that position assuming your 3 seconds off the pace. Do you think you could hold someone back for 12 laps like that ? Would you want to ? I’m assuming you wouldn’t, so be a gentleman know your place on the grid and move over
I’m expecting some real world racing comparisons now so before we go down that silly avenue I will put that to bed right now.
We are talking about 24 varying in skill player of different ages in different cars with nothing to loose. You can’t ever compare that situation to real world racing
What a tool u are. No u don’t have a right to the track if ur faster. The fact u think that shows ur immaturity and impatience. Grow up little man.
There is a ghost lge for those who don’t appreciate the fact the you have to use RACE CRAFT in the contact lge.
I suggest u use that lge instead as u obviously a) don’t get it b) don’t like it and c) can’t do it.
Grow up n use race craft or play ghost n drive through people.
The fact you have lowred the tone with name calling shows how immature you are.
I have won the pinncle spec league 5 times in a row not that I have to justify to you what I can and can’t do. You make sweeping judgments with no facts to back up your nonsense
You really don’t get it all I’m talking about 3 seconds off the pace. The fact anyone races with someone 3 seconds off the pace is wrong and I’m sure the slower racer dosnt really want such stiff competition. It’s unfair, unbalanced and is a matchmaking issue that has been slightly fixed in the leagues. There is nothing immature or wrong about wanting to race against people your own skill level. It just so happens that everyone gets put in the same pot. It’s down to individual racers to aknoledge there limititations and find a group within a race that they can race with competitively without spoiling other peoples races. That goes for me as well no matter where it is on the grid.
Wow! You won the pinncle (sic) Spec league. It could have something to do with the 6-7 hours you play a night.
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As I said it’s not reflection of skill it just means I won the competition to see who plays it the most
“I have won the pinncle spec league 5 times in a row not that I have to justify to you what I can and can’t do. You make sweeping judgments with no facts to back up your nonsense”
Lol lol lol lol.
And there we have it.
You are one of those who thinks that winning the race is a fudging massive life achievement. Winning the league is your main aim in life. So u do anything you can to win. Cos u need that validation you need to feel like you have achieved in life. And that’s how u lot drive… like your self esteem depends on it.
Whereas the normal well adjusted happy members of society don’t care where they finish as long as they had a CLEAN fun race. We don’t care if we finish 24th just as long as we’ve had some good wheel to wheel action.
We don’t need forza to validate our existence. We just want fun n fair racing n we understand that clean defensive driving is part n parcel of it
Some of u really need to get a life
I absolutely knew you would respond this way, winning the league is no reflection on skill nor is it a “life achivment” I told you I won the league to demonstrate to you that a: I get it b: I like it and c: I can do it. But not only that it proves that I have patience, perstance and alot of time on my hands.
I happen to think everything you just said is utter rubbish but let’s try and understand what your trying to say.
So the normal well adjusted happy member of society dosnt give a dam where they finish, it’s all about taking part. So why argue about letting a faster driver past surly the well adjusted society member wud rather get out the way and let all the forza obsessed no lifers battle it out. You contradict yourself and I think your just being rather obstructive, probably a weak attempt at trolling.
No 1 here is saying good clean defensive driving is wrong. What’s wrong is attempting to race with/hold up someone who is 3 seconds a lap faster. You might be having a good race but at the cost of someone else so stop being selfish and think about other peoples enjoyment as well as your own. Faster racers are expected to compensate for the slower driver, I do my best not to hkt the back of people using abs its not easy. All I’m saying is that works both ways
Hmmm… “3 seconds a lap” … On which track? In which class? On a 60-second lap? A 90-second lap? 120? 240? What about at Spa? Or Le Mans? Or the Ring? You, apparently, are deciding how much of a gap is “too slow, and you should get out of my way,” and at what point it’s “good clean defensive driving.” Why is that your decision?
“No 1 here is saying good clean defensive driving is wrong.”
No?
“You might be having a good race but at the cost of someone else so stop being selfish and think about other peoples enjoyment as well as your own.”
Wow… a slightly slower driver using good, clean, defensive driving might be having a good race, but you aren’t so he should think about your enjoyment, but you don’t have to think about his???
You have a bit of a point with “isn’t it more fun to race against similar skill levels?” but you’ve lost me with “I don’t care if you’re having fun, get out of my way because I’m frustrated that I can’t get past you.”
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I’m genralising when I say 3 seconds a lap. But for arguments sack let’s say someone who is significantly slower consistantly over a long space of time.
I have never said I slightly slower driver who is racing and defending well should get out the way. I race with that category alot and I myself am in that category. That is where I want to be, thats where the fun is for me the closer lap times the better. Then you can start comparing this game to real world racing. At the moment the lobbys/leagues are far to unevenly matched
I think I have been pretty clear in all my posts that this is a match making issue made worse by a significantly slower racer trying to battle to the bitter death. As I said this person might be having a good race but at the cost of someone else’s. What should happen is these 2 people should not be racing together. But instead it’s left to us to decide at that point… Am I holding this guy up? Are we evenly matched? Should I let them past? Look it’s alot to think about and it might be easier just to carry on regardless but for me I’d much rather let them past if I’m sure I’m holding them up considerably and maybe I will find a close race further down the grid.