Those of us who aren’t obsessed with winning want fairness from everyone. 8t doesn’t matter if ur faster we want CLEAN FAIR RACING FOR THE FUN OF IT.
We don’t care how fast u are. We just want fair clean fun.
We don’t want immature, impatient children who want to win at all costs ramming us up the rear cos they think they have more entitlement to enjoyment than anyone else. We want the ge to be played as its SUPPOSED to be. A RACING GAME. A racing game where u need skill to pass someone whether they be 10 seconds or .001 second slower. The whole point is to use race craft n patience to get past. We want the game played fairly.
As I have said there’s a ghost lge for those who can’t do that.
We care about enjoyment n fairness n fun not about winning cos that’s all we have…Unlike you.
You obviously don’t get it so I won’t waste my time with u anymore. You will continue to be a sad sack with nothing in your life but winning at forza.
Unfortunately alot of the slower are also don’t have the racecraft you claim. They also tends to more unpredictable and unsafe. Like braking on a full throttle bend, and getting run over.
Everyone has a right to defend and make someone work for a pass, but the line between legit defending and annoying blocking is pretty grey and subjective. It’s possible, especially in spec leagues with sim damage on, to keep a faster player behind you pretty much indefinitely if you’re reckless/ selfish/ desperate enough and willing to crash both cars out rather than concede the place. And there are certainly players in all divisions who are like that. You aren’t - I’ve raced you - but plenty of others are.
Personally, I’ll defend against anyone in the closing stages of a race, but on the first couple of laps of a 6 or 12 lap race with a quickstop there’s no just no point. If someone catches me early on I won’t exactly get out of the way but I’ll certainly not make it too hard for them - if they have a look up the inside then I’ll concede the spot and tuck in behind. If it turns out they’re much quicker than me then I wouldn’t have been able to hold them back for the whole race anyway, so why slow myself down and annoy them by holding them up for 3 or 4 laps? And if it turns out that they’re not much quicker and I get a chance to come back at them later then hey ho, I’ve just shown them some respect and made it more likely they’ll reciprocate when I try to pass. And either way, if they’re of the impatient/ selfish persuasion, then I’ve probably dodged a bullet - I’d rather lose a place even to someone slower than lose 6 places when they make a desperate lunge. Pretty much the only time I’ll go all out against someone right from the off is if I know them and I can trust them to race hard and fair. From my observations that seems to be the most common public-lobby strategy of most good racers. In fact displaying that strategy is pretty much the definition of a good racer.
So when I come up against someone who is clearly much slower but is defending like his life depends on keeping 11th place, on the 1st lap of a 10 lap race, I can acknowledge his right to play like that while still thinking he’s a complete idiot for doing so.
Clean racing can be had, for sure. I did a few races yesterday and at Spa me, CQR Type R, and someone else (don’t remember the GT) went 3 wide into Pouhon… No one collided or went off track. Says a lot, right there.
Yeah Pinnacle is usually great, especially if you’re top-5 pace. It only takes one idiot - especially if it’s a quick idiot - to spoil a lobby though.
I reckon a lot of the people who dismiss leagues as “no better than hoppers” have either only played them during prize weeks - Can Am, Trofeo and FRC - when they are mostly awful, or else their pace puts them mid-pack all the time where it can be pretty hellish.
All in all though, Pinnacle league is definitely where I’ve had the most fun and the closest racing outside of private lobbies.
We are few and very hard to come by. I really like the way CQR showed patience. He kept the pressure on. And you stayed with it. This is what it is about. Not ram you off the track. He may have been a bit better, but the patience he showed was amazing. That is what can make this game great. A lot of times winning the race is not the best part. The best part is chasing the other racer to see if you can somehow get by, CLEAN.
I too find it clean at least 70% of the time I race in Elite. Although, I don’t get much time these days to race. Usually an hour every other night CST.
I’ve enjoyed pinnacle lately. We’ve got a good group of guys that get in a lobby together every night and you can almost always expect a good clean race. The lap times that have been run are impressive aswell.
It’s a balance of risk v reward. If you watch top drivers they know when to defend and when to concede. If you’re only a little slower than the guy behind or just as quick on the lap but slower is some sections then defending your position is what motor racing is all about. But if youre a second or two slower or way off the straight line pace of the guy behind then you can’t possibly defend, you can only block and that’s when you should let him/her through.
If you’re two seconds slower on the average length course than the person behind you they should have no problems getting around you cleanly even if you’re defending. If they can’t get around either you’re really good at defense or they’re really bad at racing.
This simply isn’t true. The hardest people to pass are those who go beyond legit defense either because they lack any respect for other drivers or because they lack the racecraft to know when to concede and when to defend; the ones who will turn in on you even if you’re mostly or even fully alongside before you reach the corner, or run wide into you when you take the outside, or who will immediately dive-bomb you into the next bend as soon as you do get by. In a spec lobby with sim damage on these idiots can be almost impossible to pass - it’s far easier to get past a faster, better driver who knows how to race properly.
Had some cracking side by side racing tonight in Elite sometimes around bends that don’t deserve to be taken two wide but if you get two players that like that kind of challenge of making it happen you’ve cracked it! Just have to watch for the late breaking muppet from behind that’s usually there to shovel you into the nearest gravel trap
I was having a fantastic race today with Ryan (Type R) and we spent the first 4 laps swapping for the lead. Looking for the undercut, I pitted.
Unfortunately, I exited behind a car that had yet to pit and was around 2 and a half seconds slower. He proceeded to defend very aggressively and cost me nearly 7 seconds and take away my shot at the win, while interfering with a sensational battle.
Needless to say I have no issue with defending, but people need to know when is the right time to do so. When a car has already stopped and is knocking on your back door so to speak, there is literally no point in being difficult. All he did was slow both of us down.
IMO pinnacle isn’t just about being fast, it’s about understanding the more technical aspects of racing and it seems like that art was lost.
Either way, there’s still 8 or 9 of us pinnacle regulars that dice it up every day which has made it a massively enjoyable experience for myself.