Well i have really bad feeling that new cup thing is nothing new that seasonal championships have been, maybe just bump up max price difficulty to expert to pro.
I think the way to do Rivals is this:
Allow you to run any car on any Rivals event. And have a leaderboard that is sortable along multiple different metrics. So, if I want to see how my time on a certain track stacks up compared to other players who have run an S2 class Alfa Romeo 4C, I should be able to see that. If I want to see how my time stacks up against other players running a Modern Muscle car, I should be able to see that. Or an S1 Modern Sports Car. Or B class cars. Basically, the leaderboard should be filterable by any combination of model, class, and/or car type (possibly other metrics too, but those seem the most obvious and important).
You could possibly also have a choice of what season to run the race in. If so, then there’d basically be four leaderboards for each track (1 for each season), each of which would be sortable as described above. With that said, that’d definitely complicate things and splinter things a good bit. So I’d personally be alright with just having each track have a particular combination of season and weather conditions that it is set to for rivals. Some here have suggested they should all be in dry conditions in summer for every race. I don’t agree with that, since tuning and testing cars for other conditions is something people might want to do, and skill at driving in other conditions should probably be a relevant skill for rivals.
Beyond the sortable leaderboard, you could also have a sort of “Featured” rivals event for each track. This could basically be the current rivals options. So, it might be using a particular car or have some other particular limitation. This would be good for people who want some direction and don’t want to be overwhelmed by options (I suspect there are a good number of such people, and the current version of rivals is good for them and worth keeping around). And it would just function as a separate leaderboard.
The way it could work is basically the Rivals menu would allow you to pick what track you want to run Rivals on. Once you choose the track, there’d be a menu with options for the “Featured” rivals event or the general rivals event that has no restrictions. You can press a button to see the leaderboard for either one, and once you’re on the leaderboard—particularly of the no-restrictions one—you can pull up filter options so that you can see how you stack up based on any combination of model, class, and/or car type.
The only problem with this I see is that the game’s servers would likely have to store a huge amount more data, assuming they currently only store the data and ghost for your best time. For each track, that’d be a maximum of one set of data and one ghost per person. With the above-described sortable leaderboard, it wouldn’t work unless the game saved your best times for all of the possible filtered categories. Which basically means the game would need to save ghosts for your best time for every combination of car model and class. So it’d need to save your best S1 Alfa Romeo 4C ghost, your best S2 Alfa Romeo 4C ghost, your best A class Ford F-150 ghost, etc. Obviously there are probably over a thousand such combinations, so this would drastically increase the potential amount of data the game would need to save. I’m not sure how much extra data this would entail, but it might be prohibitive. If not, though, I think this is the way Rivals should go. It would allow people to really make their own challenges and play Rivals their own way. I for one would gain A LOT more replay value from the game if this were implemented.
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Just look at this big, fat, juicy, active Rivals thread that Motorsport 7 gets to enjoy…
https://forums.forza.net/turn10_postst108221_FM7-Hoppers-and-Rivals-Request-List.aspx
So jealous. 
Instead of obliterating class based rivals, presumably to save server space why not add weekly class based rivals events.
Maybe even a few that get wiped a week later ie maybe 5 events active for a week, results can be viewed for a week while a new set is active.
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Or at the very least add a rotating set of Monthly Rivals like in H3 instead of the ONE were getting now (which is so underwhelming and pathetic)?
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Is there going to be a E - R rivals release for Hot Lapping?
Still awaiting a response from the ticket (#10663) that I opened on the Support site over a month ago.
I guess ‘Forza Enforcement and Feedback’ have a huge backlog.
In the meantime I’m back playing FM7 which has been transformed into an excellent game since class based rivals returned along with other improvements. Well done Turn 10.
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I just revisited the Support site to check progress on my ticket (#10663, Created November 05, 2018 23:04) and it appears to have been removed without any feedback. If this isn’t a mistake it is a disgrace!
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Well you are not only one, i notice few days ago that my feedback ticket was also removed without any feedback. Retro keeps spamming that sent to feedback but what’s the point if that get removed without any feedback.
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I responded relating to the ticket in your other thread posted here.
I personally can’t seem to find the ticket and I’m unsure who it was assigned too and why it was removed.
If anyone has had their ticket removed, please send me a DM with the ticket number alongside submitting a new ticket.
I supplied a copy of the ticket in the other thread, [url=here.
Thank you.
I think I am some kind of contributor to the FH4 support section.
Logging a feedback is here: https://support.forzamotorsport.net/hc/en-us/requests/new
Note that, while creating a ticket, you can add a reference to any ticket below ( agree/disagree etc ) just addin #XXXXX in description of your feedback to Game staff
For those raging against staff silence like I did in the past, staff indicated “NDA”.
Personal FH support logged list.
#16354 solo online missing with lap time etc just like in FH3 : hopefully next month → to be reviewed in few weeks.
#16354/16376 Gameplay designed for Rammers, need one for racers, one for drifters , etc
#14243 No possibility to race on empty track for tuning cars / Rivals
#16354 Wall riding is not fair play for clean players just like clean turns are not fair play for drifters. Currently only Wall riding thus lot of frustration → need a mode for racers, one for wall riders, one for drifters. We have just a need for speed gameplay, prove it was just a mistake.
#16355 Free Roam blocking Rwd, Fwd cars
#16356 B/C/D championships missing
#16360 Extreme asphalt cars like ‘mono bac’ playable on cross country
#16361 Tires type not displaying in all situations
#16362 limit for number of tunes + no possibility to know which car has which number of tunes making it hell to clean.
#16363 non snow tires should slip like hell on snow and ice
#16365 Mixed races should be at least 50% of dirt.
#14248 Music in intermediate phases that cannot be turned off
#16366 limit on number of cars
#16367 Many cars sounding like lawn mowers
#16368 Wheelspin car duplicate : On FH3, when car is already in garage, player is proposed to resell it
#16369 Seing own car and avatar during waiting time to be replaced by seing others’ cars
#16370 Displaying all players helps on list at race result would raise fair play level.
#16371 possibility to buy a car dedicate wheelspin with 5 basic wheelspins would be great
#16372 when creating a custom race or CS, being able to exclude a type of car like no trucks, no extreme offroads would be just great.
#16373 possibility to disable wheelspins triggered automatically ( I have already earned more than 60 millions of CR, wheelspin for 2 000 or clothes is frustating and boring)
#16374 remove this message that displays when I request instant transport to location for 0 CR … francky guys, not because Microsoft is in the game that you need the ‘are you sure’ everywhere …
#14242 possibility to share tuning only to his team or specific people
#14242 possibility to share a tuning unlocked
#16366 possibility to filter on can by bought or not to identify the cars you can get rid of
#16366 possibility to filter his cars by ‘new’ tag
#16602 sell give car to specific player
#17834 Treasure Island Drift Achievement
#16354
Custom online CS mode menu
CS style : gentlemen drivers, all means are good, drift , simulation, no collision, etc
Class: ANY, A , B , C , D
Road type = ANY, Asphalt , dirt, mixed, cc, Street
Season= ANY, spring, summer, autumn, winter
Free roam : No, Yes
Team mode : No, Yes
FH: Search available CS and display those ordered by number of matching criterias
Me: Click join
#14243
Rivals with same car for everyone is a good idea but blocking possibility to test cars on empty tracks is bad for people doing tuning and bad for diversity
Proposing : Rivals challenge.
- Possibility to select any car, any season
- Possibility see score by track, for any car or specific car.
- Add a driver dashboard with score of all rivals done with car info, time and tune used.
- Add achievements on having done all the races with a same car for 1 season for instance.
- 2 ranking one with collision detection, one without so that everyone can enjoy rivals
Finishing a race, it would be great to see the rival time on same track you did possibly with same car.
#16355
FEEDBACK : Free Roam blocking Rwd, Fwd cars
SUGGESTION
Free roam not for asphalt/mixed CS or select free roam car applicable to all the CS or use it for car position at next race start
#16360
FEEDBACK : Extreme asphalt cars like ‘mono bac’ playable on cross country is just killing challenge of car selection
SUGGESTION : Some want easy, some want challenge. Add a Arcade to Simulation cursor in game difficulty parameters. Joining online, use parameter to do matchmaking and apply physics.
Quickwin : restore enough physics so that rally cars are better on rally, offroads cars are best on offroads, tarmac cars are best …
#16361
FEEDBACK : Tires type not displaying in all situations
SUGGESTION : permanent display of ‘snow’ tag and filter, so we can choose right car for dry, wet , snow
#16362
FEEDBACK : limit for number of tunes+ no possibility to know which car has which number of tunes making it hell to clean
SUGGESTION : remove limit, indicate number of tunes at car level
#16363
FEEDBACK : non snow tires should slip like hell on snow and ice
SUGGESTION : Tunes should indicate type of tires so that casual gamers can easily pick correct tunes. Apply physics. Other solution, split lobbies depending on difficulty level #16360
#16365
FEEDBACK : Mixed races should be at least 50% of dirt.
SUGGESTION : exclude from mixed CS any track having more than 50% of tarmac + add Full dirt races/Cs with 90% dirt minimum.
#14248
When I switch radio to off, put the music off in ALL phases of the game including loading times.
Or and allow to put 0 on game music, I don’t want to hear anything during loading time.
#16366
FEEDBACK : Very complex to do Garage cleaning
SUGGESTION : revive modal of FH3 which was proposing CR when winning car already in garage.
Add advanced filters : Tuned cars, New cars, FE cars, more than KW cars, duplicate cars less than KW cars, More than torque cars , less than torque cars, more than weight, less than weight etc
Remove garage size limit / add barn option.
#16367
FEEDBACK : Many cars sounding like lawn mowers and acceleration is just moving car on the screen
SUGGESTION : Investigate suggestions of FH community on sound. When accelerating, controler should feedback the torque and vibration generated by car. Give the possibility to player to choose whether he wants to ear engine like he is inside or outside the car.
#16368
FEEDBACK : Using Wheelspin, car won are often already in garage
SUGGESTION : On FH3, when car is already in garage, player is proposed to resell it. please migrate this behavior to FH4
#16369
FEEDBACK : Seing own car and avatar during waiting time is quite self centered and boring
SUGGESTION : Display others’ cars, indication of who did the tune, who did the paint job, the stats of the driver …
#16370
FEEDBACK : On rivals helps are displayed, it is missing on online races
SUGGESTION : Displaying all players helps on list at race result would raise fair play level and make comparable what is actually comparable.
#16371
FEEDBACK : bored winning clothes and stuff
SUGGESTION : possibility to buy a car dedicate wheelspin with 5 basic wheelspins
#16372
FEEDBACK : On asphalt races I would like to exclude off roads cars and trucks
SUGGESTION : when creating a custom race or CS, being able to exclude a type of car
#16373
FEEDBACK : I have already earned tens of millions of CR, wheelspin for 2 000 or clothes is just frustating and ultimate boring even clicking A to shorten it.
SUGGESTION : add an option in parameters to have wheelspins only on wheelspin menu.
#16374
FEEDBACK : I have collected all instant travel points so that travel is free for me, still the feature is requesting to confirm if I am sure I want to put 0 CR on this. When I click to go to Treasure Island, again I am requested to confirm, point less as no incidence on the game.
SUGGESTION : wherever it is possible, remove anything consuming time or/and allow to bypass it.
#14242
Possibility to share a tune to another gamer and not everyone.
Possibility to Make it unlocked so that community can improve it
#16376
Feedback: Game rules pushing to ramming and wallriding.
Logic with team based races is that one player get 100 points passing 1 car of the other color and 50 points more in case winning the race.
At team level, if you just pass 1 car clean you get 100 points for your team BUT if you crash it, you get the 100 points and you raise the chances for your team mates to pass it too. Pushing logic further if you get this crashed player to ragequit, you get instant 600 points for your team, almost same than winning race itself.
Considering maximum. Someone playing clean makes 650 points for ‘his’ team at the ultimate maximum. Same player ultimate ramming makes 650 + 600 +600 + 600 + 600 + 600 = 3650 points for his team at the ultimate maximum.
Adding this as a demo of the advantage of wall riding: Wall Riding Noobs Destroy Online Racing (Forza Horizon 4) - YouTube
The objective in team adventure and ranked is not to win races as an individual, the objective is that your ‘team’ wins the CS. Even not doing it from calculation, one player has more chances to win CS by wall riding and crashing other color players than racing clean.
The best players are therefore players expert at wall riding, ramming like hell and possibly chatting with mates making it team wide strategy.
Suggesting : #16354
#16602
Feedback : When wish to share a car to a specific player or share car with a specific tune, the only possibility is it sell the car to everyone with the risk somebody else buy it.
Suggestion : add feature to sell or give car to a specific player.
#17834
Treasure Island Drift Achievement
Completed all the 5 drift zones, all 3 stars, did it twice and still Xbox (home menu / Cup menu / FH4) indicates 93% of completion of the challenge
Moss that is very well said what you said in that ticket, huge thumb up.
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Thumb up… Because a racing game is not only about focusing multiplayer (even though it’s also terrible). Full class based Rivals Mode must return. I have all forzas and FH4 is the only one I abandoned because it’s the only one without a proper Rivals Mode. FIX that!!
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I too have just found out that class based rival is missing in this game like it did in FM7, it really is beyond ridiculous. I thought PG would learn from T10’s mistake…
It’s one thing to have certain cars locked behind wheel spins and Forzathons and etc. I get it. It’s to “encourage” people to play more often. But to remove class based rivals?? That’s only gonna “encourage” people to play less or even stop playing!
Guess I’m glad I got this game for free as part of a bundle and I only paid for the car pass…Removing the highly popular class based rival is one of the strangest or should I say, dumbest design choices I’ve ever seen in video games.
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So no word at all yet?
No. But if im not wrong in fm7 there wasnt any word abaout rivals before they was ready to announce that class base rivals is coming back. I think PG have that kinda NDA that they cant tell us pretty mutch nothing what they are going to do.
There are 27 Road Races in the Rivals Discipline and not a single one has changed since the launch date.
They should change these 27 each month with a different class or vehicle rule. Same thing for the Dirt, Cross Country and Drag.
Come on “Please” give us something!!
I don’t think that is the solution at all, the permanence of them is their appeal. As it is, I don’t mind attacking one of them every now and then to put a time up for my friends to try to beat, but if they disappeared after a month I wouldn’t bother.
I don’t think the case for more rivals is helped by the low usage of the events that are there. If people want to run a weekly hot lap competition, then maybe pick one of the existing rivals events each week? When you eventually run out, you can complain you’ve run out of events, but as things currently stand, it just looks like nobody has any interest in them, even the ones that are straight open class rivals events.
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In base game we dont even have mutch open class rivals, 2 road racing and 2 cross country, and only circuit that is open class is goliath in S2 all others are sprints. So 57 rival leaderboard and we have only 4 that are in open class, that is same amount that drag racing rivals have in just a-class and S1 class there is 5 leaderboards that is more than other discplines have open class leaderboards compined!
Im so sick and tired testing tunes against all focus and tt’s but even when counting fortune island i have zero place to test S1 road racing tunes, yeah there is one S1 class road racing rivals leaderboard and even that one they have ruined because it’s winter. i was really hope when i was driving kraken first time that would be S1 class as that is mutch more fun track to drive with S1 class than S2 class car but no, goliath is S2 and they made kraken in S2 also and both are even wet weather.