Car Pass discussion

Forza Horizon 4 Car Pass


(screenshot: June 12)
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/p/forza-horizon-4-car-pass/9mzpp9xxp13l

  • October 2018 - February 2019 (retroactively effective)
  • 42 DLC cars (2 cars per week x21)
  • Included in Deluxe and Ultimate Editions.
  • $29.99 add-on for Standard Edition owners; $26.99 for Game Pass subscribers.
  • Does Not include Formula Drift Car Pack.
  • Does Not include Day One Car Pack.
  • Does Not include cars in Expansion DLC.
    News - Forza

Xbox Game Pass FAQ: How do Xbox One game and add-on discounts work?

https://support.xbox.com/en-US/billing/xbox-subscriptions/xbox-game-pass-faq

Thread update: The final pair of Car Pass cars will be released on February 14, 2019. Players who purchase the Car Pass (or eligible game Editions) will be able to collect all cars. You can find the Car Pass Calendar menu in the Autoshow.

FAQ: Will there be a second Car Pass or more DLC cars after February?

  • There is no announced second Car Pass (previous Forza games have only had one Car Pass) and no announced extension. The February 11 livestream responded to this question with the assurance that more cars will be added to the game but was not specific about DLC. The only confirmed DLC (as of mid February) is the second Expansion which will include DLC cars.

42 INCLUDED CARS
2018 Alfa Romeo Stelvio Quadrifoglio
2018 Aston Martin Vantage
2018 BMW i8 Roadster
1959 Cadillac Eldorado Biarritz Convertible
2018 Can-Am Maverick X RS Turbo R
2019 Chevrolet Corvette ZR1
2018 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 1LE
2018 Chevrolet Silverado 1500 DeBerti Design
2017 Ferrari GTC4Lusso
2005 Ferrari FXX
2018 Ford Mustang GT DeBerti Design
1968 Ford Mustang 2+2 Fastback
1965 Ford Transit
1966 Hillman Imp
2016 Honda Civic Coupe GRC
2005 Honda NSX-R GT
2003 Honda S2000
1974 Honda Civic RS
1991 Hoonigan Gymkhana 10 Ford Escort Cosworth Group A
1977 Hoonigan Gymkhana 10 Ford F-150 ‘Hoonitruck’
1953 Jaguar C-Type
2017 Koenigsegg Agera RS
2012 Lamborghini Gallardo LP570-4 Spyder Performante
1972 Lamborghini Jarama S
2002 Mazda RX-7 Spirit-R Type A
2014 McLaren 650S Spider
1929 Mercedes-Benz Super Sport Kurz Barker Roadster [SSK]
1938 MG TA Midget
2018 Morgan Aero GT
2018 Nissan Sentra NISMO
1963 Opel Kadett A
1965 Peel Trident
2019 Porsche Carrera S
1993 Porsche 968 Turbo S
1985 Porsche #185 959 Prodrive Rally Raid
1959 Porsche 356 A 1600 Super
1970 Triumph TR6 PI
1962 Triumph TR3B
2018 TVR Griffith
2010 Vauxhall Insignia VXR
2004 Vauxhall VX220 Turbo
1966 Volkswagen Double Cab Pick-Up

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2 cars a week - that’s new! Sounds like a good idea to me - wonder how they’ll manage that for people without the car pass?

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Exactly the same as they do now without the Car Pass I would imagine. If you want the two new cars and don’t have the pass … open up your wallet.

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Aye, but will they be sold in weekly 2-car packs? Or as a 6-car pack, available at the start ot the three weeks? Or at the end of the three weeks?

Seems an interesting way of doing it. Could be good, having a constant stream of content rather than a car pack, then three weeks without any content usually.

A good reason to play Forza every weekend.

I really like this idea. As much as i love collecting the cars it was starting to become too many at one time. Now you can focus more on a few cars.

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I love the idea of 2 cars a week.

However, I’m disappointed in seeing that all DLC cars still automatically show up in your garage. I understand that this was adopted to silence the entitled players from whining over having to purchase the content with actual money then having to work for it in the game as well. This “feature” has absolutely ruined the auction house in games past. You can’t bid on a car or buy it from the showroom without the DLC, but if you have the DLC, you have minimal desire to buy duplicate copies unless there’s a model that you really like. Furthermore, it limits your potential to get rid of cars that you don’t intend on keeping.

Had the old model been continued where we would receive 6-7 DLC cars at once, I would have suggested that we could select only 3 for free. If we wanted others later, we could buy them from the showroom or the Auction House with in-game credits. Now that we’re receiving them at a rate of 2 a week, perhaps the next game will limit us to only 1 free one out of each set? Yes, I know FM7 allows us to sell cars back to the showroom – but what if we wanted to offer them to other players (who have purchased the DLC) as a discount via the AH?

You can literally remove the cars from your garage and then “work” to buy them again with credits. It’s optional whether you want to keep them as free additions or not. I’m not a fan of them automatically being added to the garage, but you’re scraping the barrel to try and use the tired old “wahhh, entitled gamers” idiom.

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You completely missed the boat. Had you not been so focused on the “entitled” comment, you would have seen my point was that with the free handouts, the incentive to use the auction house as a source for new cars is dramatically reduced.

While a few looking for a challenge might take your approach, how many people do you really think are going to delete or sell a free car back to the autoshow just to try earn it back?

No Friend you have missed the point and most are to polite to call you on it now I read your post and I got what you were aiming for and it will never happen.

What you want to do is just pure cow paddies you want to be able to buy the cars from the Car Packs and Sell them in the AH to players who DO NOT HAVE THE PACK So using you Methos only one person in the whole gaming community would ever need to buy the Car Pack and then start flogging said cars on the AH to all players who do not have the Car Pack.

Get real I some times think the AH was something that should have been left in the past and never bought back. And people like you looking for ways to cheat the system is why.

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Tell me, how can I miss my own point?? LMAO

AND NO, I’m not looking to cheat the system<<<<

Before you make another highly inaccurate accusation, please make sure you fully comprehend this scenario:

I’ve bought all of the DLC, just like many others.
To buy a car in the autoshow is what I’ll call the base price.
To sell an unwanted car back to the autoshow is the return price (1/2 the base price)…

I’m a fan of Porsches and GMs.
A week comes up where a Corvette and a 911 are offered.
I take the 911 as a gift and decide to work for the Corvette.
That same week, someone else who bought the DLC (but likes Ferraris and Lamborghinis) isn’t interested in either.
He takes the Corvette and auctions it at a price between the return and the base price.
I find it and buy it.
He gets a few more credits than he would have otherwise and I get the second car I wanted at a discount.

–OR maybe the second player is a tuner or a painter, and he puts his spin on it before auctioning the Corvette. He decides to auction it for more than the base price, as he should. It’s still a car I don’t have and I’m willing to pay extra for his efforts if I like the direction he’s taken.

Another week comes up and we get a Ferrari and a Lamborghini – then the roles are reversed.

Under the current system, no one has much of a desire to search the auction house unless they want duplicates because all DLC buyers already have so many freebies. Meanwhile, all DLC buyers also have a number of cars that (at least in FH3) we can’t sell either because everyone has the same gifts.

Basically, all of the DLC gifts have seriously hurt the demand that used to be in the auction house.

So what I’m looking for are

  1. to be able to choose a percentage of the DLC cars as gifts instead of having to take all of them
  2. a more interesting, useful and active Auction House for everyone as a result of these choices

So what you really want is for someone to pay Playground Games for the content, then need to pay you in some manner to be able to use that content? Get real.

“Basically, all of the DLC gifts have seriously hurt the demand that used to be in the auction house.”

That has got to be the most ridiculous thing I’ve heard all week. The demand for DLC cars in the auction house? LOL. You cannot buy said cars in the auction house without also buying the DLC pack. For goodness sake, if someone wants to play with the content they’ve already bought without “working” (such a daft thing to say, what happened to games being played for fun rather than to “work”) for them, then so be it, let them. There’s options in place if you really want to “work” for it, use them. Could it be made better by giving you an option at the start of the game perhaps, "do you want DLC content added from free in-game (yes/no)? Sure. But pack it in demanding that everyone should have to play it your way just because you want to have some sort of control over the Auction House.

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What’s truly ridiculous is how quick you guys are to jump on one point and not read the rest. Funnier yet is how eager you are to put words in someone else’s mouth because you fail to understand what they’re trying to say. I don’t want everyone else’s credits. I couldn’t care less because there’s no where to spend them.

I want the interaction back in ALL aspects of the game – the auction house (both buying and selling), the collaboration builds between painters and tuners by way of shared/gifted tunes and paints among friends, the hype that teams used to build up here in the forums through some of the gifted photographers we had. But that was before your time.

Stop getting so wrapped up in the inaccurate suggestion of players trying to profit off of the DLC. Hell, forget about the auction house for that matter. Way back when, you bought the whole game and all of the cars at once, and you didn’t get all of them in your garage right away. Now, developers milk it out by way of DLC. Either way, to get access to everything a game has to offer, you have to pay real world cash for all of it. Nothing has changed in those regards.

The difference is that back then, all of the cars weren’t immediately added to your garage. There were goals as players raced to be able to afford new cars. Now, all of the DLC content is immediately put in your garage, so there are no NEW goals except for completing the races in the 2 expansion packs (not car packs). Achievement points don’t count in this conversation.

If a car pack includes a JOHN DOE MOTORSPORTS HYPER SPECIAL and a JANE DOE CUSTOMWORKS ULTRA LIMITED, each worth $50 million, where’s the novelty in either if both are just handed to you for buying the DLC? What’s wrong with taking one as a gift and adding the other to the list of car goals that you had when the game first dropped?

Simple. This is what the majority wanted. So Turn 10 implemented. It’s not that difficult to click “remove car” if you want to earn your DLC.

Back in FM5 I believe it was, when the economy was a lot harder, tonnes of people were upset that some cars that cost millions were hard to get. People who couldn’t play the game that often, but loved it and bought the DLC, maybe didn’t have the time to save up for a 2 million pound DLC car. So what happened to quite a number of people is they bought the DLC but actually couldn’t obtain the cars they bought because they didn’t have time to earn enough in game cr to buy them, rendering the DLC for some, a waste of money. That was a big reason if I remember correctly as to why they implemented it. What I don’t get is if you like to earn the dlc cars, Why don’t you remove them from your garage and earn them how you like? Isn’t it that simple or am I missing something here?

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First and foremost, I’d like to say thank you. This is the only mature response that I’ve received that simply commented on the logic without sinking to trying to accuse me of something or insult me based on my profile. It’s good to see feedback from an adult with the ability to reason.

I honestly do appreciate your explanation. I missed out on the community happenings of FH and FM5 because I was hit with the RROD on my 360 after a few months of FM4. Life happened and things didn’t settle out for me until I was able to pick up an XB1 just before FH2 dropped. I loved the open world so much that I didn’t pick up another Forza title until FH3. It’s only recently that I went back and picked up FH and FM5-7 just to fill the collection.

Yeah, I could and in some cases have deleted cars to earn them back. But I’m one of those people that finds satisfaction in helping others out too. Since we can’t send cars or creations as gifts anymore, being able to auction unwanted vehicles at lower than usual prices was my fallback. But it’s extremely rare that anyone’s buying a lot of them because they already have them as well.

Ok so I don’t agree with you at all I payed for the Car Packs so should get the first one for Free. The reason cars are Auto added is that some times game would glitch and people had to Pay in game credits for the cars.

Now the last game to make you pay for Download cars was Forza Motorsport 4,

You seem to want to have features for the game that were removed years ago.

The following games do not make you pay for your First car from a Car Pack Horizon 1, Forza Motorsport 5, Forza Horizon 2, Forza Motorsport 6, Forza Horizon 3 and Forza Motorsport 7,

The games Forza Horizon 1 and 2 Along with Forza Motorsport 5 and 6 did not have a Auction House

And Finally I do not see why players should all have to pay for the Car Pack cars with in game currency so you can be a Hero by selling them cheap in the Auction House.

If you search the AH in Forza 7 you will See a butt load of VIP Cars for sale for stupid sums cars that only VIP holders can sell or buy.
If you search the AH in Horizon 3 you may well see why the AH is such a bad thing the way it is set up Cars being sold for 20,00,000. And only players with a 5 star rating can sell for this price and Forza Motorsport 7 is going the same way.

I really hope they have dumped this system of ratings for the Horizon 4 Auction House because in Horizon 3 and Forza 7 the Auction house is not a place to find a bargain. All players should be able to sell any care in the AH for the same price.

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As far as my memory goes, you did need to pay for DLC cars ingame in FH1, it was only from FM5 onwards that the initial free one was implemented.

I agree with the rest of it though.

Not sure if you are commenting just for argument purposes but i have never known anyone to go to the auction house to buy DLC cars…and get ripped off in the process by overpriced sellers
Why would they , especially since you have to own the DLC to buy them anyway so it would be limited to begin with even for such sellers
Most people go to the auction house for rarer and higher priced cars hoping to get them cheap

Anyway this discussion is way off topic for the thread which you seemed to happily derail
Should change you signature too since it is way out of date and pointless as well

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That’s a heinously bad idea. Not the selling them to other players but the having to pay for 3 of them or having to pay for any of them. We did just pay 40 dollars for the VIP and Car Pass. I kinda think that should do away for working for the cars.