I don’t understand how Forza can say they have the best racing game when a lot of there Modern GT cars are over powered or under powered. Example: The #007 Aston Martin Racing DBR9 is very over powered, same with the #1 Nismo Motul Autech GT-R, but in REAL LIFE RACING the Corvette Racing C7.R is the most powerful and feared Modern GT race car. Another point to further my cause, the Aston Martin race car stock has 625HP and 550lb-ft, the Nismo 550HP and 398lb-ft the Corvette has 491HP and 485lb-ft… How can racing Modern GT race cars be fair when you under power and over power certain cars. Its supposed to be competitive racing, not a blow out. [Mod Edit - Abbreviated profanity, profanity and profanity that is disguised but still alludes to the words are not permitted - D] Forza needs to get their act together, because in my eyes and a lot of other avid Forza gamers its not worth racing when the cars are not realistic and the lobbies suck. The only reason I got the XBOX 1 was for Forza 6, I’m questioning wether it was worth it or not. Might switch to PS4 and just give up on Forza Racing.
They run different classes. The AM is a GT-1 car, I believe (maybe GT-2), the Nissan is GT500, and the Corvette is GTLM. Much different rule sets
You should do some research on the cars before you post these little hissy fits.the aston Martin is a gt-1 class race car that raced in 2005-2008,the gt-1 class was cut from compition in 2010.gt-1 regulations where for high powered race engineered and purpose built gt cars like the aston Martin and corvette c6.r,the c6.r was in forza 4 but im not gonna go there.the nismo gt-R is a gt500 class from Japan’s super gt series,gt500 regulations share Germany’s dtm regulations with spec and shared carbon fiber monoquok chassis with v8 across all manufacturers,high powered purpose built gt cars basically prototypes under the bodies.now the gtlm corvette(and viper/bmw/Ferrari) are based off the gt-2 regulations wich when gt-1 was axed gt-2s were modified a bit to make up for the lack of speed missing from gt-1 but were no where close.gt-2,gte,gtlm regulations are heavily modified Production base chassis and engine block race cars.so gt-1 and gt500 cars will always be faster than gtlm,just how gtlm will be faster than the gt-3(bentley,mclaren,Mercedes,audi) As for the corvette c7.r in real life racing it is NOT the most powerful or feared gt racing car,in racing there is a rule book that state a car needs to be built to certain criteria,some cars can’t and get special exceptions known as waivers were parts of the car doesn’t meet regulations but it’s allowed.look at the corvette and it has many waivers,the car with the less waivers is the ferrari,the. There’s balance of performance specs that are used to keep cars on fair performance to each other but it’s never realy fair where they add weight or take away fuel,or even put a smaller air restrictor to other cars and make them slower, if there is any thing to be feared of the corvette c7.r it’s the team behind the car with over a decade of endurance experience just like audis lmp1 team…
all of them should be able to reach the 880 pi mark that is usually assigned to this class. Why take a 911 out when it will be ten or more points below the aston or bmw? Yes not all of them are in the same classes in real life but pi adjustments have been made in forza before so why not do it again?
OP lost my interest at “I want”.
I love those TIER 2 experts… really…
Perhaps do more research before you decide something is inaccurate? 900% sure these cars fall under different regulations and categories.
In reality the nissan gtr GT500 is by far underrated. The cars has in real life much more grip and speed to. The gt cars are in forza bop to 865. When you take a untuned bmw z4 gte than its clear that you have no chance. All cars can tuned to 865 or very near to it. At this level the cars are competitive beside their constructive advantages.
Forza had issues with pi leveling. But at the end it’s a compromise for gameplay.
Some cars like the porsche 911 GT1 are really underrated. But thats a different story.
Seriously, do some research. The Corvette is at best an also ran this season. At the Long Beach IMSA race one car cashed itself as it was losing time and the one that eventually got 2nd was steadily losing ground on a pair of 911’s until the lead 911 bumped it and spun it out in the u-turn.
At the IMSA Laguna Seca weekend the Vettes were 3rd and 7th. The Ganassi Ford GT won and the 488 was 2nd. Also in the IMSA GTLM is the BMW M6.
Bancplain GT series has R8, Mercedes AMG, Nissan, Bentley, McLaren 650, Huracan and BMW M6 competing but not a single Vette.
WEC LMGTE Pro has Ferrari 488, Ford GT, AM Vantage and 911’s but no Vettes.
WEC LMGTE Am has the Ferrari 458, AM Vantage and 911’s and a single Vette team. At Spa last weekend the Vette placed 3rd behind the Vantage (1st) and 458 (2nd). At Silverstone the 458 won, the Vantage was 2nd and the Vette was 3rd and a lap down.
Chevy is running out of time before the 24hr of Le Mans. Ganassi is bringing both cars from the IMSA series and both from the WEC series. The 488 is nothing to take lightly and in the Aston Martin is some kid named Mathias LAUDA. Lauda was one of the drivers in the Aston that won at the Spa 6hr.
Be proud of what the Vette has done, but that’s in the past.
Uhhhh…Did you just say do some research and call the Corvette an also ran in back to back sentences? The same Corvette that leads in the team, driver, and manufacturers championships? Not to mention the Endurance Cup team and Driver championships? Won the first two races, and may have been about to win the third when you noted they were punted by a competitor on the second to last lap? We might be confused about the definition of “also ran” or “research”.
Although, it is true the Porsches were very fast at Long Beach and the Fords have been pretty fast all around if the races were only actually a couple of laps.
All of this is fairly meaningless as the performance is balanced many times throughout the season, so no car should get credit for being faster, it’s really the rules-makers making them faster (or slower).
Were we watching the same coverage? Those Vettes at LB weren’t going to finish ahead of the Porsches. The shunt just made the result seem skewed. As for my Also Ran comment, it’s based on their performance against other teams on tracks other than the ones here. Like I said, they’d best get their ducks in a row if they want to be on the lead lap at Le Mans.
Most of my reply was to illuminate the OP about his stating the Vettes are the End All Be All of GT racing. He might as well have said “if you show up in a Vette you’re on the top step of the podium”. I was trying to rebut that with results, not opinions. Sorry if I seemed biased.
It’s a 24 hour race, nothing is in the past. Corvette always manages to be there with the C7.r. Don’t leave Corvette out, but at the same time they’re not the most feared. GT Masters have the GT3 Corvette and everything in Blancpain but the McLaren.
Totally agree, a good correction to the OP that no longer are the Corvettes the end all of GT racing (although they were at the end of GT1). The rules are made so that no team can dominate and that’s a great thing for participation and competition.
But yes, you have some bias coming through. No, we were probably not watching the same coverage of Long Beach, as I was at the race. The Porsche was clearly faster, particularly at the end as the Corvette had an early pit stop due to a tire puncture and were on tires that had nothing left. But there were 2 laps left, and it is very hard to pass at Long Beach. No one knows if a Porsche would get cleanly by in the last two laps - just hard to do at the track. Doubtful they would have both made it by, just not enough passing opportunities left. But again, no matter if the Corvette finished first or second, that’s not an also ran.
As far as “get their ducks in the a row” before Le Mans, again, I think we have some misunderstandings. Despite not having the fastest car (BoP rules and all) They’ve been able to lead the championship have 2 wins, and two second place finishes. . Would have had another podium if the Porsche driver understood braking in the wet is different than the dry. Porsches crashing, getting pit lane speed penalties, getting avoidable contact penalties, Fords having reliability problems, BMWs (who won’t be at Le Mans) crashing and getting pit penalties. Those are teams that need to get their “ducks in a row” to win.
By the way, you know the Le Mans BoP is different as well, right? As it stands now (subject to change) The Corvette’s will be lighter at Le Mans (although with more restriction) while the Porsches and Fords will be heavier. Driver ability and car setup always play a part in results, but performance is adjusted and, at this top level of pro drivers and manufacturer cars, if a car is fast or slow it is generally due to rules and not ability.
There was some talk based upon Laguna Seca that the Le Mans tire that they all used their is better suited to mid engine than front engine cars, so we’ll see if that puts the Aston Martin and Corvette at a disadvantage. I suspect both teams will be able to car set-up around it if it really is an issue.
Should be a great race, and I’m glad you can look at the field and think of a reason why almost any car can win. Hopefully the Fords have their reliability issues (to be expected with a new car and seems to be getting better) figured out so they can be competitive.
Yes, “in the past” is funny, unless we are thinking the past being the last 3 weeks. Corvette won Le Mans GTE last year (with only one car starting). And i completely agree, the 24 hour race means almost anyone can win. It comes down to reliability, pit stops, and drivers making no errors more than outright speed. I really can see just about any car winning this year. As I noted above, the Fords are a little worrisome being new and having reliability issues, but there are 4 of them, so playing the odds, one or two should make it through. Porsches are fast and reliable, the Ferraris have won both WEC races, and the Corvette team always seem to thrive in a 24 hour setting, and have won the last 3 24 hour races (2 in Daytona and one at Le Mans). Should be fun.
In Forza, I wonder how close the auto-upgrade option makes the cars and simulates a Balance of Performance table. Probably not well enough and you’ll have to tune the cars yourself, but it would be neat if that would work well and simulate just how the race series do it.
The GT-R GT500 is underpowered if anything, in real life that car laps Fuji as fast as the Rebellion R-One, a privateer LMP1 car.
Just like with the Endurance Prototypes division, Turn 10 would rather clump a bunch of similar cars together, rather than separate them into smaller groups that would be more realistic and competitive.
Which is a shame. It would be so much more fun to have LMP1, LMP2, DP, LMP900 and C1 separately. And it could even be done very easily with the current state of the game if they would use the tag FAMILY for it, it’s empty for the endurance prototypes anyway…
Forza car classes and divisions is a big letdown in the game IMO. Not even being able to put each car into a division is even an insult to us. At least Playground managed to do it with FH2 and their classes made much more sense (e.g. group B rally). FM 6 only has one generic rally group and the Ford RS200 (a car purely made for rally) isn’t even in that group. Probably all because of this half arsed thing they call PI.
Well, yeah. That’s the way it’s always been. Since Forza 1, actually.
Run them all at 865pi and you will have a very competitive racing series we have plenty of times and you will soon see the Aston isn’t the one
Blancpain is a GT3 series. There is no homologated GT3 Corvette, therefore it is ineligible to run.
Turn 10 really need to consider a re-work in terms of car grouping for FM7. A system where you actually have GT3, GTLM, GT1 and so on in their own classes would make for more realistic racing and less oddities, like having GT3, GTLM and an outdated GT1 car all racing each other.
Also, they need to stop trying to force cars together by nerfing performance, leading to cars like the 911 GT1 and GT-R GT500 being R860 so they fit with the DBR9, when their real life speed is around that of LMP2 or privateer LMP1 cars, and would put their PI more around P960.