I think FM4 was the pinnacle of the franchise, we can agree on that, yes?
Will the track roster ever be as great? Will we get beautiful car sounds for all cars?
Will the silly CP system be done away with?
I’m on the verge of tears thinking how GOOD we had it with FM4.
Please developers, make this title the new FM4. Thank you. I’ll support this franchise as long as the devs do.
Bring back the golden era of FM4 please, can I get a yay?
Forza 2 / 3 / 4 was absolutely the best forzas hands down no arguing that tracks / cars / store fronts / open public lobby’s list
Xbox should give us what they advertised in their backwards compatibility shows.
I’ve seen this in several different presentations. FM3&4 with 4k resolution just like FH1 back compat.
An FM4 remaster would’ve been awesome & a great filler for them to create this brand new game we’re still waiting on. But for whatever reason they ditched that winning formula long ago & we seem to be getting further away from that type of FM we all loved so much.
No. It’s 2024. That ecosystem you’re so fond of hasn’t existed in over a decade.
Accept that this franchise is dead, eaten by its sibling Forza Horizon.
While Forza Motorsport 4 is certainly the high watermark some of its features and game design elements have aged rather poorly over time.
Additionally, the Turn 10 that made those games is not the same Turn 10 that’s making games today. Different ideas, different people, different philosophies etc.
That doesn’t make Forza Motorsport “better” (we all know the game has serious problems), just “different”.
There are some things Forza Motorsport 4 did that I liked very much, but there are also some things I feel have improved quite a bit since then.
I could do a long winded answer but…
No.
Just no we aren’t.
For this game it’s more like tripe and melancholy.
i’m curious what aspects you feel have aged poorly? not saying you’re wrong, i just can’t think of any off the top of my head, whereas i can think of quite a few things fm4 had that the series has sorely lacked since (storefront, cumulative leaderboards, multiclass lobbies, seeing your opponents’ skill level, etc.).
For me FM4 was the best. I loved the career layout. so many choices, and you could build one car around several races, instead of needing an different car for every race. I still have a 360 just so I can play FM4. I would have been just fine with a copy/paste of FM4’s career to FM 2023.
So MS did one game FH1 compatible, interesting.
With all the effort made to make original Xbox and 360 compatible it’s strange that MS did so little for their own games remastered or running in compatible mode.
Maybe racing games fall down the list regarding sales, don’t know.
When you drill into it a little, Forza Motorsport 4 ’s single player campaign is essentially a giant spreadsheet of events (I’m aware some people want that). There is some brief handholding but ultimately there’s little focus or a player progression journey throughout.
Forza Motorsport 3 did it a little better in that the calendar format guided you down a decent path (World Tour simply isn’t as good at that in Forza Motorsport 4), but either way the overall structure is too basic for a modern title (and yes, Forza Motorsport’s is worse).
Additionally, a sizeable chunk of events pad out their runtime with double-headers and qualifying, leading to eventual burnout and a sense of sameness across the campaign.
While there is a large collection of events and some may like the freedom of being able to do anything, if it were done today it would also be criticised for being directionless and overwhelming. Games like F1 2020 (MyTeam) and Project CARS 2 pushed things forward in that regard, even Forza Horizon to a degree though it now leans heavily into its sandbox nature (not a bad thing).
On the “race simulation” side, we now have collision penalties, a track limit system, driver and safety ratings, and practice/qualifying sessions in multiplayer. They’re suboptimal (and sometimes broken) in Forza Motorsport but still better than not having them at all.
The game’s community features were excellent though (some are yet to be surpassed, even by Horizon), as was the ability to have searchable custom lobbies (which Turn 10 flat-out refused to do ever since), but the game as a whole was far from perfect. Sadly modern Forza Motorsport titles inherited most of Forza Motorsport 4’s shortcomings (primarily around the on-track experience) without also bringing over its best parts.
I dont understand why theres no many nihilistic comments that can be summed as: ‘gaming communities/development/content/stability/etc. are dying and only getting worse. Give up, things wont get better.’
Perhaps it is ok to believe that things will become as great as the past? and perhaps even better?
nope, will never happen. the current dev leadership has 0 car/racing enthusiasts now. There is no passion behind this game its only for gamepass statistic numbers nothing more.
You guys overhype that game way too much. I remember the whining on here when that came out but now it’s some sort of gold standard? Really? People used to mock it for being too much boutique, not enough substance. This so - called move away from motorsports had begun by FM3.
I have plenty of issues with FM 2023 but I am not going around reminiscing over a 12 year old game every two minutes. Work on getting Turn 10 to fix their current product.
But now there’s no ‘boutique’ along with the apparently no substance of FM4 (bizarre criticism even back then and borderline stupid if anyone says it now in retrospect)
Or passion.
Or content.
Or soundtrack.
Or presentation.
Or social elements.
Or just plain old fun.
FM4 is seen as the peak by most people because it was the best all-rounder, it had something of sufficient quality for nearly every type of player.
2023 barely even deserves to share the same name as it or even the 3 weaker titles after, despite having MS financial clout behind it it’s more like some poorly made pound shop rip-off of GT Sport.
Maybe that’s the direction this game would have been best off being advertised as though, people may have been more forgiving if they had just marketed this as a more serious spin-off from the main franchise that would be live service and would launch pretty bare bones as a result instead of this reboot ‘from the ground up’ nonsense they pedalled the entire time.
I don’t think anyone at turn 10 currently ,even knows how good forza 4 was or played it even 7 is better then this, don’t think anyone left at Turn 10 has even played that either. Seems like they took all the bad ideas from 7 and made them worse.At least 7 singleplayer is bearable.
Well said mate.
It’s aged far better than all of the disappointments that came afterwards.
I’d prefer their absence over their highly dysfunctional presence.
…At least then, the innocent wouldn’t be just as likely to get penalized as the guilty.
This isn’t nostalgia talking - it’s disappointment that in all this time since FM4, we’ve overall seen the opposite of progress.
They should be making games that are better than ever in every regard, not dysfunctional grindy messes that make players long for “the good ol’ days.”
We should already be in “the better new days” by now laughing at how we used to think those outdated games were so good instead of lamenting about how they were better back then.
Then in your opinion which Forza title beats it?
It’s hard to overhype the game that had most cars, most tracks and by far the most features, we just all thought that the trend of more would continue.
to be fair, the single in all Forza’s is roughly the same:
A series of unconnected races where the outcome doesn’t matter. The only thing that changes is the method in picking the next race.
But to add to the missing features, in FM 4 you could diy a single player multi class race series with qualifying and cars you picked out for the AI*, but like a lot of things you could do, it wasnt mentioned by T10.
I think many people would love to set up races like this and yet we get the same car models back but not any features.
*( had to be done using the features setting up a private race not in free play )
