Anybody else think we should get the tune of first place in rivals? Or be able to drive that

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There’s nothing wrong with not wanting to do both jobs. None at all. Just keep in mind that by not wanting to do that job, it’s likely that someone else who does dedicate the time to learn and do both jobs will probably end up being better at them both. This has nothing to do with realism vs a game, it has to do with learning all you can to improve.

The current system is fair as well. The other driver, who presumably did learn to tune and does tune the car, has the same restrictions that you do. They don’t have access to anything in the game that you don’t also have access to. In choosing not to take advantage of some aspect of the game, you have to expect that you’ll be taking the good with the bad in that decision.

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Well my #1 tune for the the new Nissan is shared. Takes #1 at cat, lime rock F, and west so far.

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This is what racing is about, using tuning to etch out an advantage over you opponent, but stay within a specific power to weight rating that’s set by the rules of a race.

So each driver generally races the same car, all have ideally the same PI, and yet, on the same track, they can be miles apart performance wise (meaning driving performance), and that’s what sets a great driver apart from a good driver, which sets them apart from an average yet persistent driver.

It’s like that in real life, and you WILL NOT find driving teams even sharing tunes between their own drivers in that team.

Each us out yo set not only a place, but also their position within the series ratings.

You’re saying that you don’t believe the tunes should be shared, but then say they should be shared to those that just want to use them in Arivals.

So you can’t have it both ways, as they both basically mean the same. Sharing is sharing, no matter if it’s in Rivals or open races.

Grab one of the tunes that are available from drivers in your region, rather than global. Many often offer their tunes up. So there’s some tunes to try out. But then you’ll see it’s NOTHING the tunes, but how the driver USES the tune, not the tune itself.

I’m sure everyone would agree with me in that regard.

My advise would be, grab a few tunes in the top 50 and on several tracks. Work with those tunes on those tracks, and you’ll need to just practice, practice and yep, more practice, rinse and repeat.

It’ll become boring, but in fact you’ll be learning more on each lap.

Leave the tunes that are hidden, hidden. Use those that are readily available and just continue working at it…

OZ

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LOL NO. If you want the tune send him a message and see if he will give it to you. Nobody is entitled to anybody elses tune even if its the fastest one. 99% of the reason they are number 1 is because of their driving ability. Not being mean but if you cant keep up its most likely driver and not the car.

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Mate you think that’s hard try getting top 10 with full no assists trust me that’s a much harder feet to achieve.I’ll be honest you probably use assists like braking normal steer ect trust me when I say turn 10 has made it pretty simple for you to do it it’s way easier to achieve good results on the lb but you have to realise alot of the top guys have been doing it for years that’s why there so fast I got news for you it’s not the tune it’s you.Tunes can only do so much you still have to have the skill to drive it hard.

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I’m not really sure that driving someone else’s tune is really that helpful. Everyone drives a little differently. I’ve tried some of the tunes of the person at the top of the leader board. I wonder how they could ever drive them. Okay, that is a bit of an overstatement but the tuning didn’t match my driving style.

I worked with a couple of people tuning a car in FM5. We did agree on the parts to install but there was a difference in the tuning. One person set the best time with car. He shared his settings with me. I tried them but couldn’t match his time. I was about 0.1 to 0.2 seconds slower. The car felt uncomfortable to me. I changed the tire pressure, differential and anti-sway bar settings. These weren’t huge changes but made the car match my style of driving. I got to within 0.014 seconds of my friend’s time. With a little more practice I may have caught him.

I also noticed this with the Rolls Royce challenge at Brands Hatch. There was a very popular tune many people were using. It was good but felt slightly off to me. There was another tune that was shared that wasn’t used by as many people but the fastest person with it was in the top 20. That tune felt good to me. I could drive faster using it.

I don’t see the need to share tunes. There are a lot of people willing to list their settings in the tuning forum. There is a lot of good information there about what the settings do and how to adjust them. I suggest taking a look at it. You can always just grab someone’s tune and go for it but a little understanding of the settings can be quite useful.

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A lot of solid points. Sometimes I’ll try out a popular tune just to see the differences in my own, and usually I find myself barely able to keep the pace with my tunes.

I just wish people would realize that tuning isn’t as complicated as they think it is. All you have to do is drive the car stock, identify the issues you have with it, then read the descriptions of each tuning section and tweak the things that apply to your issues. The problem with just downloading another tune is that you then have to adapt to the creator’s driving technique, which will probably make you slower than if you just developed your own tune in the first place.

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I race with a few of the lads that post number ones and it doesn’t matter if you have their tune they will still beat you anyway lol

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I have zero interest in tuning but I reckon the balance is about right, to be honest. There are more than enough good public tunes out there that I don’t really care about the hidden ones. Even if the #1 uses a hidden tune there will be someone in the top 5 using one I can grab and test.

Tuners need non-tuners just as much as non-tuners need tuners.

The only thing I take issue with is the upgrade system because it produces so many freak cars. Upgrading a hot-hatch with a rally engine so that it moves up a class is great fun, but for every one of those there’s a Jeep Willys smoking Mclarens in S class. And “upgrading” historic sports cars like the M8B, or a 70s F1 car? Please.

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In what way

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In the way that a shop needs customers.

Lots of tuners get a kick from seeing their tunes used by lots of people, and especially from seeing them on the LBs. In a game where everyone tunes their own cars, that kick wouldn’t exist.

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I disagree, the majority of people outside the top 50 can’t even drive the top 10 tunes. The tune is a small part of the bigger picture. Alot of people think that obtaining the best tune will automatically make you faster. The lb say different and you can clearly see people struggling to get into the top 50 with a no1 tune.

In the pinnicle league when running stock the gap between players is significantly reduced. I’m usually 1 sec off a friend of mine who is extremely consistent with his lap times. In stock that’s reduced to half a second. You can’t tell me that reducing the advantage a tune gives someone isn’t making it more balanced for everyone.

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I have raced the same car around the same track but with different tunes and I can tell you that different tunes will give you seconds difference in lap times. you cant say its a small difference when clearly its quiet a big difference. try it, grab 3 or 4 tunes off the leaderboard and then in the tuning testing apply each one and see after 10 or so laps of each the difference. thre will be faster and slower ones.

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Yes, but there again, I have seen top tunes used by many racers and they don’t even make it to the top 1000. If you look at the LB not everyone is using the same tune. It could be a mind game too, this racer gets good time with this tune so I should be able to also, then you do better. But just maybe you had it in you anyway. Skill, Practice and Focus is what it takes, period. Oh, yeah staying in the power band helps too.

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This thread seems to have been started pretty naively, people with consistent top 10 times are just better than you plain and simple. There is no secret sauce and theres nothing thats going to make you as fast as them without a lot of practice and skills that can rarely be taught.

A bad driver with a top tune will still be slow, but a great driver will still be fast regardless of the tune. Since it is a game there are certain things that can give you a competitive edge like using a great tune, using the elite controler and using a low input lag monitor, but thats all it will be is an edge.

Thats why these top tunes are rarely shared. They dont care if joe blow uses the tune, theyre hiding it from the other top 10 drivers. They have found an edge that keeps them in the top spot and theres nothing wrong with that.

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I don’t think the OP wants to challenge the LB leader in his own tune, neither does he argues the typical “it’s because he’s got a better tune”. He only wish to benchmark himself against the top guys to see where he stands with same car and tune. BUT as a previous poster mentioned, the spec Rivals should give him the benchmark he needs.

While I enjoy most of the top guys’ tunes and always love to try them out, I think it’s up to the tuner to decide if he wish to avail his tune or not.

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Thank you for being one of the few to understand what I’m saying. Yeah, I’m taking those guys advice and going to try the spec rivals now

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Well he could always view the replay (if available) to determine HP, torque, RPM range, number of gears used and building cues such as rim size, rim style, roll cage, and aero parts.

Knowing all this, you can usually get a build thats pretty close. Then if you suck at tuning, there’s a but load of info available and players willing to tune the car for you.

The resources are there already.

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Different tunes will give u a different time but a tune is not the answer to getting or being faster the tune is a small part of the whole package that constitutes a fast lap.

Obtaining a no1 and holding onto it because you have found a few tenths in a tune is imo unfair. It’s an advantage that others don’t have. I don’t like having an advantage over my fellow racers I’d rather we all had the same car in stock. As I have said before this problem isn’t half as bad as it was on forza 4, u didn’t even know what tune had been used so at least it has Been address by turn 10 ad will hopefully continue to make the game fairer and easier for everyone to be competitive.

Thanks to wizard for sharing his tunes. Big respect for anyone that posts a time and says come on world do better in my tune

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Its not unfair and its not an advantage others do not have. There is nothing he is doing that you can’t. There is just something he is doing that you personally choose to NOT do. You have all of the same tools at your disposal that he does. Just because someone else chose to use the game to its fullest and exceed in areas that you chose not to, does not make it unfair. In the end you are handicapping yourself and arguing that its unfair that you have to work as hard as they did to “be the fastest.”

I race mainly R class in rivals and havent checked much else. But in R class you have the #1-3 guys usually a second or so faster than 4-5th and then there is another second between 5th and 15th. Half the time the tunes are shared and visible. It’s not the tune at this point, its strictly the drivers. I have plenty of top 20 times in R class and have never tuned my own car and 100% do not believe that I am at any sort of disadvantage.