I love it when a wrecker tries to hit me and misses lol. I had one try to torpedo me twice in one race. I dodged him both times 
. Of course he kept wrecking people for more races. I will offer replays for review when others I’ve sent in are confirmed. Thanks to all who try to improve our gaming experience.
Alot of the people that get banned just start another account!!
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We’ve had wreckers we’ve added to our party chats just to find out why they are doing what they’re doing, 50% of the time they join and we’ll have a chat, turns out that most just dont know how drive in general and think of motorsport as an extension of horizon so they think its ok to drive into everyone. There really should be some kind of visual warning, how can someone be banned for honestly not knowing the difference between motorsport and horizon other than hateful messages from other players that they are probably going to ingore just becase they contain name calling and/or profanity? Dont get me wrong there are those that know but just do it because its probably the only thing they can do to make themselves feel better on the inside.
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I play forza alot in fact it’s the only game I play other than the odd night on gta. I play for upto 6 or 7 hours a night sometime even more on a weekend. Belive me when I say I have seen it all, nothing shocks me I’m conditioned to the carnage.
From my experince of the game I have come to the conclusion that 50 to 60% of racers in a public hopper are completely deluded. They truly belive that everyone else is in the wrong and there race craft is perfectly faultless. It’s this group that would benefit the most from in game infomation relating to race craft, rules and reprocusions
I’d say 20% have issues with being beat or overtaken. It’s this group I find the most dangerous. This is the group that sets up new accounts and wait a lap to take the leaders out. ThIs group would probably ignore any in game information.
The final 20 to 30 % are the likes of us, not serious racers but just considerate people who want the game to be fun for everyone. We would see the benifit of in game information and our experince would be improved evern if it was just a fraction.
Wsd has claimed from his experince on forza 6 that 99% of contact is accidental. I can’t possibly agree and I feel thats why we do not have his support for in game information.
Imo this is no brainer and I would expect the support from wsd and the moderator/marshall team. It’s no good just saying things like “use the wish thread” or “we already have t&cs online”. We need to discuss these things openly get agreement from all including the marshalls and then go to turn 10 with the idea. Who better to communicate with t10 than the marshalls. In game t&cs are tools you guys need to perform your voluntary roles succcesfully get behind this with the rest of the commuinty
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I run pretty much exclusively in D Class hoppers because I like the classic muscle cars without many modifications and that’s the class they wind up in. I have noticed the last few times I have raced in a lobby that the racing has been much better. So much so that the only time I leave a lobby anymore is when it glitches loading a race and sends everyone back to the lobby, which unfortunately has happened a lot lately. I don’t race to win, but that doesn’t mean I won’t win. It just means that if I am outmatched I will let them by without much struggle and if I can’t make a clean pass I won’t. Ive found that these favors are usually reciprocated and many players make a better effort to not cause a scene. It might just be that the cars are slow enough in D class that people can actually control them though.
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I race C class multiplayer. The wrecking and trolling was all over the place a few hours ago. I am at my max number of replays for review. I’m just venting since we can’t hit back and punish these people ourselves.
What is needed is more than 1 or 2 people reviewing replays. I drift just about everyday. In those drift lobbies I get trolled more than I get to have clean runs. If you wanted us to help then you should’ve given us more replay saves than what we have. I relize what Snowowl is dealing with and I hope I’m never in a position as he is.
To me a bigtime painter it seems to me that painting is the only way to enjoy the game cause online is a trolling mess full of online thugs. You ban them and they just make a new account. To me it’s getting to be a fight that I’m about done fighting.
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in my opinion T10 doesn’t care much about this and corner cutting. The first week of ForzaRC shows this, where cutters like TX3 Liage, where not punished. What FM misses is racing regulations like flags and penalties (like all other circuit racers have). I also seen enough people no braking, using others to brake at corners, and thoose where not just missing their braking point, but full throttle hits. Those problems are for years now and from before FH came out, but not much is done by T10 for years. Only 1 ghost lobby but that is not enough, made even worse by removing public lobbies that is hosted by gamers. MS states that people from different Reputation groups wouldn’t be in the same lobby but in FM6 this is defently not true. Account bans don’t help, only console bans. Bad for others using the same console but will make sure the others will keep an eye out.
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I think people do not understand how matchmaking works. (note I do not know how FM6 matchmaking is setup but I do know how some other games’ matchmaking has worked).
Quite often there are not hard and fast rules about who gets matched with who but it is more like a list of preferences or order.
eg lets assume everyone gets a rating from 1 to 10 and assume my rating is 5. Matchmaking will spend say 10 seconds looking for 5s. If not enough are found it will then look for 4s and 6s for 10 seconds to see if enough of those are searching. It keeps expanding out until it finds enough to fill a game.
Some games over their life will reduce the minimum players needed for a lobby. So in week 1 it may want say 10 players. Because there are many playing the game it is likely to find 10 x 5s to match with me. But in week 52 there will be fewer searching so it may need fewer players but will no doubt need to expand to 4-6 or 3-7 etc.
Some games in the past have allowed the user to set limits eg match me with players within 2 levels of me etc.
In short no matchmaking system works perfectly unless there are enough people searching.
^^^^^^^^^ this guy talks sense
If find it odd that here we are, 11 years after FM hit the shelves having the same old discussion about exactly the same problem.
The problem will not go away, people won’t change and any amount of referring players to the XBL CoC will not make any perceptible difference.
The solution to wreckers has to be engineered into the game in the same way FPSs made it impossible to shoot your own team mates.
T10 have boxed themselves into a bit of a corner by producing a game with few boundaries and by promoting this Rubbin is Racing mentality. We can’t have it both ways. Either we accept that the game allows a free for all and make do or the game needs fundamentally changed to incorporate rules and penalties.
You just simply can’t afford to give everyone complete freedom because far to many cant be trusted with it. There has to be clear and obvious in-game rules to stand any chance of making a racing game. It’s a pity but it’s exactly the same in all aspects of life.
Whenever I get wrecked I send a message asking what was that all about.
Sometimes you get excuses for a mistake, sometimes it’s frustration for having been wrecked in other races and making guys race over agressively, sometimes it’s guys who don’t [Mod edit - WSD - profanity and alluding to profanity is against the ToS] and will just keep on doing it…
How about making a game that slight (Addidental) contact doesn’t leave one or more people’s races ruined.
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You can’t control how someone plays a game. You can scream and threaten bans until you’re blue in the face but people are going to ignore those warnings and proceed as they choose.
You could try to implement a “timeout” system where x number of collisions results in an automatic disqualification from the race. iRacing does this with their incident system, but that is much-maligned because you could be in 4 collisions and none of them be your fault, but you get DQ’ed anyway. I don’t even want to think about the amount of grief people would give towards this, “I was wrecked a bunch and it wasn’t my fault, blah blah blah…” That’d cause more trouble than what we have now.
You could set up a warning regarding intentional wrecking, but a text warning is about as menacing as a box of kittens, regardless of the ramifications behind it.
The driving styles applicable to Horizon are not the problem- Watch advertisements for racing games and real-life racing, and many advertise the wrecks. Impressionable people see this and think it’s okay for them to do that in a race.
Rubbin’ is racing to an extent, depending on what you’re driving. Touring Cars and NASCAR are most known for it. Bumper cars aren’t alright in GT, Prototypes, or any Open Wheel. Some don’t discern between the various racing genres.
The Marshals do what they can when they see it, but it takes a trained eye to tell the difference between malicious vs. unskilled driving. Wreckers are easy to spot- it’s the people who are not very skilled that cannot control their car under braking or don’t understand when they’re being lapped to get out of the way, causing collisions. Not everyone has “motorsport” experience, so it’s not fair to assume that they know these things. In private leagues like TORA, you are REQUIRED to read the rules and abide by them, so bad driving is met with swift punishment.
Report wreckers and the problematic drivers will get punished. Maybe not as soon as you think is appropriate, but it will be looked into and dealt with accordingly.
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The rest of your post makes alot of sense and I agree, but I am suprised your not in favour of warnings and race etiquette rules being in the game. I agree most will ignore anything put in game but that’s not a reason to give up and hope for the best. For ever 10 or 2o that dont listen there will be 1 that’s does, thats 1 more that we have now any improvement is something.
I think the simple solution is to reinstate a working vote to kick option for people in lobbies. For people that are abusing this feature, report them along with the idiot wreckers. Institute a warning about proper racing etiquette and that their actions can result in bans the first time you boot up leagues and multiplayer, make them “agree”, and go from there. This along with a larger Race Marshal program could mitigate a lot of the issues IMO.
^^ I’d like this to work but I still feel like people will ignore the warnings like speed limits on the highway. A few will get caught and you can only put out so many fires…
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I think what you have outlined there is exactly how the marshall program should of been rolled out. Admittedly the vote to kick would probably of been a bit harder to implement but in game messages on boot up and a good solid presence of marshalls would of been so easy.
In future I hope we get to see this along with much better matchmaking. After all I doubt we would be having this debate if we all raced against people are own skill level.
The only way to fix it is to console ban repeat offenders. Vote to kick is always abused. Reporting is not an immediate fix. Hit them in their wallet, and force kids who repeatedly ram for fun to buy a new console each time.
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