Will this ever be a game of skill or just exploits?

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Is it Forza’s intention that people use glitch cars to exploit in more than half of the live races, or are you unable to balance cars and the physics engine so that a GTR with offroad tires doesn’t win in Road and Street races in 700, so that a Bone Shaker with Rally tires doesn’t win in Road and Street Races in 800, and so that an FXX with downgraded Drag tires doesn’t win in Road and Street Races in 900? There are others, like a Hennessey Venom RWD with rally tires for 900 Street, but those are the common ones.
All I can fathom is either you intend to promote what most consider cheating or you’re unable to put tire restrictions in races and cannot balance cars and tires properly.

I am genuinely curious. After all, I have over 450 tunes that I don’t bother sharing because everyone just uses the exploit cars live. Is that all Forza wants, glitch car tunes that drive like garbage but accelerate in a straight line faster, especially with assists on?

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Short answer? Yes. The powers that be at T10/PGG have an absolute apparent disdain for any car that happens to steer or stop well. It is baked into the absurdly broken PI system that penalizes upgrading tires and adding about 200hp the exact same. For as many META cars as exist in game there are three times as many that are not, nor can they be made, competitive in ANY class.

The META cars are a symptom of the broken, garbage, PI system- and with as little attention being paid to balance (or fair play… or cheating…)in the online races, I wouldn’t expect things to change anytime soon.

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They seem to prefer cheaters and children to legit players.

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Definitely. It is pretty much pointless to try and do any online races. The lobbies ALWAYS have at least one cheater or rammer out to ruin everyone else’s experience.

I tried to do a the tour last night. I am by no means the fastest driver, nor are my cars the best tuned, but I have top 1% times on nearly every track.

My first attempt was at “A anything goes” cross country.

I spent the majority of the race at the stadium cross country circuit in 2nd behind a VERY well-driven Boneshaker. Halfway through the second lap, without either of us being passed on screen, we were suddenly running 2nd and 3rd, and not even 5 seconds later the countdown started.

On the recap screen, it showed an Alfa GTA winning by 24 seconds. I was giving it my all, and the player in the Boneshaker was not leaving anything on the table, either- so almost being DNF’ed by a guy who never even moved at the start (I had to drive around his vehicle) and never once passed either of us is more than a little suspect.

I noped out of there. If they want to cheat they can do it alone.

I also tried “A Super Saloons”- I wasn’t running my fastest car, and got held up by the AI for a few seconds, but I was running solid mid-to-low 52 second laps at Lookout circuit. we all got beat by a Cadillac Limo, who won by 15 seconds. A little weird, but given the circumstances, plausible- until we got to the drive to the next track. I was the lead car heading down the hill towards the 90 degree right turn heading into town. that’s when the countdown started. I get to the marker, and it’s the Limo- who never passed anyone in the lead group (there were 3 of us) on the way sitting there.

There is a near zero percent chance he got there legitimately.

Once again, I dipped out.

The inaction of the devs is quickly becoming legendary.

All of the leaderboards in the game, half of the tunes, and most of the online play is filled with cheaters, and the only action the devs are willing to take is deleting any thread that brings it up.

You can report them until you’re blue in the face, and other than a generic “actions have been taken” email, nothing happens (I guess moving the report to the recycle bin is technically an action).