At this point between the two games. Microsoft would do better to release new tracks as DLC into FH5 and letting FM just go away.
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I am already negative but you are the cherry on top.
I think they will figure out a deal that is good for both sides somehow. And there will be a FM9.
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That’s not negative. It’s a positive change for the better all around. FH5 is getting all the new cars. Just pick jump off points around the outer loop as track locations. Pick a group of ten tracks for each track dlc package. Build the Motorsport game around a working game. It’s a win - win situation.
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Judging by leaderboards in these games (I check them approximately every two weeks), Gran Turismo 7 has significantly more players than Forza Motorsport but also significantly fewer than Forza Horizon 5.
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I think there is a lot of research that would have to be done to determine the viability of FM. For starters I just looked up the market value:
According to Market Research Future
“Racing Games Market Size was valued at USD 2.17 billion in 2023”
I would see Corsa is a direct competitor of FM and they have 10 thousand players per month compared to FM being in the hundreds (both according to Steam, so that doesn’t account for PC and XBox players which I’m sure would be a significant boost to the FM numbers)
Not a great source, but indicative that the competitive racing market is viable from a financial standpoint. I’m quite certain that Microsoft would not have invested in creating the game if that were not the case… not to mention that it seemed to me there were more people playing FM7 after its EOL that are playing FM.
I think we are seeing a combination of poor management, a lack of vision, and a craptacular marketing strategy. All fixable inputs… the market is there, they just did a big swing and a miss.
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I would believe that as the open world of Horizon and the “pseudo festival” atmosphere appeals to a much wider audience.
The game was so far off the mark from other versions of Forza it was almost plagiarism to call it Forza. I don’t know what they were trying to envision for this game. But it wasn’t Forza.
I agree, the market is there, it is still there for a game of Forza. But the market isn’t there for this game. I don’t think the market will ever be there for this game. There’s far too much to change to get back to Forza.
I have no doubt in my mind that’s because Forza is on both Xbox and PC. If Gran Turismo was on PC, those numbers would probably change quite a bit.
That’s true. Also if Gran Turismo were reimagined as an open-world game… well, that’d certainly be bad news for Forza 
I wonder why Sony hasn’t tried it yet 
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Sad point is that this game has a very very pleasant and rewarding feeling on controller when driving and racing but with lack of content and no communication and no vision, FM is in this miserable state.
Less and less players bring them less money and cause less content overall. This game is in a dying cycle as a live service game.
The only way out is to first fix the core problems then adding most requested features and contents to the game. There is no other way. Microsoft should give t10 budget to get this game out of this devastating cycle.
Otherwise when the ac evo comes out this game and all the money and time and effort that they spend will be long gone.
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Because making an open-world isn’t a switch you toggle.
It’s also very possible that the people in charge of Gran Turismo aren’t interested in open-world because, frankly, it doesn’t seem very compatible.
Even some sort of small open world map alongside closed tracks would suffice to potentially bring a considerable crowd of new players to the game.
Besides, Sony could simply form a new team to make an open-world spin-off of Gran Turismo, just like Microsoft did. Or give that job to Evolution Studios instead of getting rid of all those veterans after they released DriveClub 
Doesn’t seem like a good business strategy to me. This game is a dead man walking.
It launched in such a disastrous state (both technical and in game design) it was a write-off from the start on.
No matter what they do you won’t get the players back with a launch like this. BioWare experienced it with Anthem, Arcane with Redfall. You won’t recover.
I’m pretty sure there is only a core live-service team at work while the rest are either in 18-6 hell or on a different project already. That’s why the updates are this lackluster and we didn’t receive any significant content yet.
This mess will never do a Cyberpunk/NMS comeback and it’ll remain the worst entry in the Forza franchise.
Best Microsoft/T10 let it die, pause the Motorsport series for some time and restructure T10 as a whole. They can still serve as physics specialists for Horizon and scan/program cars.
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You say white then you say black, I didn’t understand what you were trying to say.
However, in essence I agree that this game, despite its qualities, has been cowardly abandoned.
The choice of game-as-a-service is detrimental to FM23.
I still don’t understand the principle of cancelling championships once the deadline has passed… it would have been wiser to let them run, so as to really ‘grow’ the campaign over time, whereas at the moment it’s stagnating.
The same goes for the choice of monthly intervals: even if it meant creating a lively, continuous online event, it would have been wiser to create seasons (of 3, 4 or 6 months) with major themes, to create consistency in the events on offer. The history of motor racing is full of anecdotes and confrontations.
On the technical side, it’s a success but falls short of what was announced → disappointing.
In practical terms, the game’s ergonomics are not the most desirable. It’s not particularly fun. As I’ve already said in other threads, in my opinion it’s not fun enough to represent a good arcade game, but not deep enough to represent a good simulation game. It’s in a floating in-between that, sincerely, struggles to convince.
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The market is there for the game of “Forza” the historical game of Forza. As in FM4/FM7 such type of Forza games.
The market isn’t there for this version of FM8 Forza they’ve brought out. And it’s showing in player response.
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It’s not abandoned, we just had a rather large patch and one is coming in a few days. How is that abandoned again?
It’s been abandoned by players, struggling to keep newcomers on board while the most loyal leave the ship: just look at the number of topics created each week to explain the disappointment. This is despite the fact that some players have been loyal to the licence for more than fifteen years.
A game that doesn’t attract, doesn’t retain, is a game that’s heading straight for abandonment. The updates are just the product of the T10 teams, who are still at work, but time is running out.
Just look again at the trends in SteamDB data.
A downward trend, observed over 6 months, for a game that hasn’t even been around a year.
Of course, it’s not all doom and gloom, and a number of great titles have managed to bounce back in the space of several years, thanks to major developments (No Man’s Sky, Cyberpunk, etc.) and even then, the starting standards were already pretty high.
If there’s any hope left for FM’s survival over time, it’s going to take a stroke of genius.
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Last Patch broke the entire game and they didn’t even bother to release a Hotfix. And all we got content wise is an ugly Tetris Overaly (it gets the job done but it’s just incredibly lazy).
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Yeah i agree. It’s just so sad I’ve been waiting for this game for years and still enjoying racing on clean lobbies but yeah it’s very hard to revive fm2023 and with this rate of adding content it’s just going to die sadly.
This is the end of the saga, to this day they maintain it with a thread of life as if it were an ICU patient
Those of us who are still here are some of the friends and family of someone who is leaving but we don’t want to accept, most of them left a long time ago.
T10 will soon disconcert FM2023 and everything will end forever