Driving is the key. There are good tuners who don’t post quick laps, but still tune well. There are guys who are fast and can’t tune a lick. At the end of the day , when driving a tune if you drive slower most cars feel “good” as you learn to push a car harder the flaws become exposed.
Why do you think most people enjoy full on race tire,race weight, race aero slower driving cars? They feel good. The cars that are quicker paced, are usually harder to drive and for most don’t feel good. It’s not the tuners fault is it?
This is where I was getting at. When I wrote “preferences,” I was referring about driver’s preferences. Now, I do see that the way I wrote the first post was implying “tuner preferences,” but that wasn’t my intention.
assists don’t equal “driving style”. Sim or normal steering may affect the tune, but if tuned well should be negligible. Driving line/s shouldn’t have any bearing on the tune. Your line around the track, isn’t going to be changed, if the tune doesn’t allow you to take that line, the fastest line it’s not a good tune. Why argue that?
A best tuner is subjective. Just like a best painter. However we have quantifiable data when it comes to tuning. If you run a 97 Civic at Prague and run x lap time. Then run a different set up and run faster, then run a different set up and run slower then the first two which is better? Why did you run slower/faster in one set up then the other two? The tune ALLOWED you to take the optimum line around given track. The others might be “good” but the one was better.
So in other words, your saying that I don’t understand what I’m writing, are you serious?
I could ask some of the Top 10 drivers about this topic and whether tuning has a factor of personal preference implemented into it and I bet they’ll agree with me!
Example, Raceboy77 agrees with me and he can pull No.#1’s and I can pull No.#1’s, but what about you?
I think I have enough experience with tuning MYSELF and racing to understand this game thanks!
You may also find that I only run my own tunes why? Because their suited to MY style which some people like.
Now answer this: From what you side, “If you run a 97 Civic at Prague and run x lap time. Then run a different set up and run faster, then run a different set up and run slower then the first two which is better? Why did you run slower/faster in one set up then the other two?”
Then add this… someone else runs the three setups and finds that the first setup was better, the second setup was the second fastest and the last setup was the slowest. Why is that different?
Also Formula 1 in the 2013 season, why did Lewis Hamilton not feel confident with Michael Schumacher’s car? Yet Michael did?
By divine intervention did Michael just somehow feel more confident with it even though they ran the same setup?
And BTW, assists have everything to do with driving style, probably not the driving/braking line as that only helps with consistency but, if someone cannot throttle control, which is due to THEIR driving style or tune, due to personal preference, then they’ll probably put on TCS.
And your the one making this an argument as your too stubborn to understand that not everyone runs the same tune. Not one tune is the ultimate tune in the whole entire outer edge of space!
The team I’m in, OneNationRacing or ONR, which was No.#1 in circuit on Forza 3 and 4 all have their own style, hence why most tune their own cars!
So why don’t you get off your high horse and just admit that you are wrong? Or do you still believe that all the No.#1 drivers run the same tune?
If I was you, I’d think carefully about this before you make a fool of yourself.
And FYI, commenting on people’s linguistic use of language, when it’s obvious that your not good at it as well, really makes you one sad organism!
Have fun answering my questions, it’ll be fun seeing what you reply back!
RR
Maybe I’ll ring Axiom see if he is available. Stop mixing the argument to prove your point. By your logic no one can drive any one else s tune. My point is I can drive your tune, will it do everything I want it to? Maybe. Will it feel exactly how I want? Maybe. Does it mean it’s un driveable? Or a bad tune because I like my diff a little bit higher? Driving style is BS. You can either drive or you can’t. There is an optimum line around a track. We may take that line a little wider or tighter than one another but we still take that line. Last I looked wasn’t multiple lines around a track to get to #1 or top ten. Stop mixing arguments. Driving is one variable, tuning another. How fast I drive will not have any bearing on whether a tune is good or bad. If a car under steers or over steers, if it bottoms out if the diff is off and the car over steers on throttle or slides to much on braking has nothing to do with driving style.
To Akra how much of a chance did your friends give that set up? Do you know if it was a legit set up? There is a learning curve for every car some higher or lower. If I run 2 laps in your’s and ten in someone else not really a fair comparison.
Now you see… that’s just one little part of why he’s arguing for the wrong reasons!
Now hopefully for the love of God, do you understand?
We aren’t arguing about different things.
And if not, why would most agree with me?
And as for an ECT member, I expected him to know stuff like that already!
RR
So as racers then why do we set our cars up differently? Race teams very rarely have a set of drivers running the same setup for a given track. Does this level of tuning not exist in Forza 5.
Handling is only needed for a few tracks. Most tracks you just need enough handling to get around the track. That is why you see a lot of cars with more emphasis on acceleration. Of course there are a bunch of turds out there being shared.
I stand on the personal preference side of the debate. 99% of my PBs are in my own tunes, I know how I want the car to feel and how to get it.
But then again, I’m also thrilled to break the top 100.
Well I ran well over 100 lap trying to find a good tune. Every tune I tried, I struggled to keep up with my ghost. I retuned one of top tunes and beat my PB by 1 sec on the second lap. By lap 5 I went from 320 to 45 on the LB. The only thing I change was tune it self, not the build, not my line. One of my friends beat his Pb in under 5 laps. He been looking for a tune this car for a while. Why did my tune work so well? Because this tune was better suited to our style.
How did it struggle? Over steer/under steer? A bit anecdotal. You run tcs was that tune made for tcs? Whose tunes were you running? Most of the sf is not legit tunes.
Axiom, really? You call him a top driver? More like an unsportsmanlike wanna be racer! And mixing my argument? “By your logic no one can drive any one else s tune?” - you crazy? I’m saying that everyone can what they like when it comes to tuning but if you want to be at your fastest, tuning it to your own style is best… something you don’t understand, I guess we aren’t on the same wavelength, your more on the UV spectrum. By this I mean your argument is unforeseeable unworthy of being fragmentary challenging!
You may also find that TCS drivers have a slightly tighter line than no TCS so… point invalid again!
And, all about the under/over steer is both driver and tuning elements…
You may find that the top builds wont vary much but tuning, that’s different. Because we have our own style, we all like a car to be tuned differently. In ONR we will share tunes between the team but tweak the tune to suit each others style!
Get it, or you still in denial?
RR
Personal driving style dose and always will matter when setting up a car, in the game or in real life. Rarely will you find two drivers who will agree on the same setup, that’s what makes all of us individuals. Now in the game the build is the most important part and will gain or loose the largest amount of time. Also their is more than one way too get around a track or corner. If we all brake, turn in, apex and exit the same way it wouldn’t be racing it would become follow the leader.
Your gonna need to do a little bit of testing in-order too find witch tuner best suites your driving style and preferences. Pick a single car and grab a tune from a few of the more respected tuners and hit the track. Grab a sheet of paper and take some notes on the tune after the test drive. Jot down the lap times and if the car had any positives or negatives. When your done compare the list and follow whatever tuner you liked the best. Remember one tune could get one faster lap but was harder to control and the other was a bit slower and more consistent doesn’t mean you should pick the faster tune unless you feel comfortable driving it.
Tuning and tweaking are what you are talking about Roadrunner. Loco is talking about a car flat out stinking and someone saying it’s driving style is why they think their car that EVERYONE runs 4 seconds slower in is faster for them. That isn’t driving style, that’s poor driving.
RR, we also don’t want to start bashing people for being unsportsmanlike do we? Let’s stop pillow fighting before someone gets put to sleep guys.
Don’t tell me that… tell that to ECT! He’s giving false information saying that driving style has nothing to do with tuning!
And your implying that I’m unsportsmanlike? You have quite a rep for it as well! Too much power = bad politics!
Also, tuning and tweaking is NOT what we’re on about! Read before you comment! As I said, Too much power = bad politics! And he isn’t talking about a car flat out stinking so as I said… Read before you comment.
I’ll drop this now but don’t threaten me when some wanna be is giving false information! Your suppose to regulate the forums not threaten others who give accurate and valid information!