Oh OZ I think we could chat for ages. I was in a Torana club back a while & one of the guys had an SLR5000 and he also cut his hand under the flares, same crude job must have existed for both LH & LX models. He bought a second bonnet for the same car and grafted XB scoops into it, looked awesome.
Going home yesterday I saw Ford XA or XB hardtop on a trailer, it was in poor condition, hopefully it will come back as a full restoration.
Yeah, those guards denoted the real A9Xsand the real SLR 5000s. Both models come with the Aussie 253 and 308cu.in wide blocks, as well as the 302 and 327cu.in Chevy small blocks.
The true racing ones came with the Chevy motors, (there were many that still ran the Aussie motors on the circuits of course) and both the LH & LX proper models had the plastic Flairs bolted on using 3/8 Allen Head Hex bolts. Repos used fibreglass Flairs and metric bolts. The whole crude cutting of the guards was simply to get the outer edges of the tyres on the Globe mags to clear the edges of the guards under suspension compression.
The teams turning the basic Toranas into the Race models weren’t real bodybuilders or otherwise known as coach builders. Which is the correct term for proper body builders at the time.
Even the HG and HT Holden Monaro came as both a 4door sedan and the Coupe’ like the HQ that’s in the game. They all had the iconic GTS stripes along the bonnet and down the boot. But copies often ran the stripe over the roof. Which was a no-no at the time.
They all came with either the the Aussie wide block motors or the small block Chevy motors. I bought a very tired HX Monaro in the mid 80’s that had seen better days. Sadly the body had had a solid hit in the A pillar and repaired poorly.
Not having a frame straighter at the time, I’m pulled the motor, a 327cu.in SB and trains, Turbo 400, out, bought a Series 1 XJ6 Jaguar and grafted the motor in, but sat it slightly lower and an 1" further back than many did at the time. It was the traditional dark BRG, British Racing Green with Blacked Badges and black chrome external trim, making it look even lower than it was. And of course dark tinted glass.
This gave better wiegth transfer, more stability and better CG. I kept the standard 6cyl jag diff ratio unit, stuck some taller profile white walled Pirellie (soft compound) on it with gold centred wired Composite rims. The tall profile gave good low end tourque responses from the very torque Chev, and high up, you could stand on it and it would move away from even Porsches on the freeways.
It had an Edlebrock semi hi-rise with a kitted out 650 double pumper, Malory ignition, competition wires, and a tricked out dizzy.
I’d love to get another and repeat it, as it was a pure pleasure to drive, yet could light the rears up at a tap, but still pull amazing times against some high end cars. A pure ‘Sleeper’ in the true sense of the word.
Sadly I had to sell it. The guy that did the car sequences on MI 2 purchased it for his wife.
If you want a true history of the GMH life, try and find a very small book (in size, not pages) called The Holden Family. This outlines the history around how the Holden Family in South Australia who were coach builders, started to build bodies for GM. They used to make Coaches, those funny horse drawn things from pre historic times lol…
An Emglishman immigrated to Australia from the U.S. To help get GM into Australia.
It makes for some very interesting and informative reading mate, and will have you winning brownie points at the next Holden Night at the ‘local’…
OZ
Ugh! All this talk about the various Aussie cars. I need one in real life as well as this unicorn in the game!
you can’t go wrong with any of them mate.
Even the last of the Ford GTs that were produced this year as a tribute to the end of an era would make any true enthusiast green with envy.
And they are not slouches by any means. Unlike some current production factory cars that are untouched by performance teams.
The XR8’s last tribute will leave black marks on your driveway for years to come. If you’re lucky enough to be able to find one and buy one that is.
Already now they are coming very well sought after.
Give them 2-5 yrs, and they’ll be worth 2-3times the amount they are now.
That’s a HUGE return on any investment.
If you could afford one now, you’d be a fool not to get one, drive it on weekends and reap the rewards in 5 yrs. it could well pay for your next house.
Unlike say the current Mustang, which will be worth less in 5 yrs than it now is.
The GTR XU1 in both the LC and LU bodies (2 doors only, never came out as a 4 door) were some very potent race breed cars here in Australia.
Peter Brock dominated the racing scene with them even against the hugely potent GTHOs of the time. His 6cyl Triple carberetered car could lay some amazing times. Due greatly to the wider front track than the rear.
It had a much solider footing on the road and track going into and out of corners.
So much so, that the Australian Police Force used them for several years as high performance pursuit cars.
We used to do the repairs on the Liverpool a Police Highway Patrol cars at the time. Amazing little beasts that could pull up almost any adversary.
OZ
Revs only affected the Clevelands because sump scrapers weren’t homogated and the oil ended up against the side of the sump under revs starving the engine. Is how “Conrod” got its name. The Cleveland was designed to out perform Chevy engines which it achieved.
My Holden 6 had oil issue due to central located oil pump.
So we drilled into the #1 and #6 mains, put a fitting on a thicker faceplate on the pump with a T fitting. The pump would then feed the front and back mains under high revs which used to drop the rear or front mains on the Holden sixes.
We used Massy Ferguson tractor fittings which had a nice coil spring around the flexible lines to protect them…
It looked good all chromed up and fitted. I could really run it high on revs for long periods. I had to watch it as with 13:1 comp, it would be easy to spit one of the rods.
Floating pins helped a great deal, keeping the revs up to the motor which was eventually feed via 48mm Webers rather than 45’s.
Gave me better low response over the 1"3/4" SUs… It’s amazing how much HP one can get from a ‘real’ blueprinting’ of a motor, and for those that know what it is. The intake and exhausts were pinned and ported to match perfectly. With the Webers, you need nil turbulence with incoming fuel on a high comp motor.
Had to run a mixture of Super fuel and Av-Gas for it not to ‘ping’…
The Holden EH 179 HP block was THE block to get if you were building a top level race motor prior to the 202’s hitting the matket.
Nice to remember those days…hmmmmm ponders…
OZ
We are surely going to miss our local Ford & Holden performance cars in years to come. We might get Mustangs and maybe just maybe a Camaro, all good cars but not Aussie cars.
I still want to hope that next month we’ll get the final DLC pack being the Unicorn Pack, there’s 7 in game, just about right for a car pack.
I’m just gonna take another opportunity to side with SatNitEduardo. I really dislike the entire concept of unicorns. I turns so many here into junkies begging, whining, and fighting for that fix they need. Ruins the community and the game I feel. I have pretty much dropped out of the community around the time of the Aston unicorn (though I was never a prolific poster). And based on the directions T10 seem to be taking, I feel FM6 may be my last Forza game. In the past, I’ve bought every version of Forza since #3 and tend to buy multiple copies as I buy for some friends who probably wouldn’t spend their own money on the games just because i want real live friends to race against. I haven’t felt any desire to look into or purchase Horizon 3 at all. There are other non T10 games that are getting my interest instead. Will see what happens closer to release i guess.
Why do people get upset if they can’t get hold of these so-called “unicorn” cars? Most of you have probably finished the career mode, most of these unicorn cars don’t even fit into a division, so what is it? You’re upset you won’t get to do 3 laps for testing and then hide the car in your garage for ever?
6 of FM6’s unicorns have a division attached to them with the expection of the 1971 Ferrari #2 Ferrari Automobili 312 P. Even though they are not leaderboard quality in terms of lap times, I’ll use the 312 P in multiplayer from time to time and will also try to squeeze in the Huracan ST.
The 2014 Ferrari FXX K and 2015 Koenigsegg One:1 are cars that are examples of cars that a player would do a few test laps and never drive the car again due to the fact that they don’t fit into a division and they can’t be upgraded to compete with the other P class cars ranging from cars that are already at the top of P class to the Daytona Prototypes that stat out around their performance level yet can be upgraded to top of their class. If people choose to use those 2 DLC cars, it’s either downgraded to R class, used for drag racing, or on the Daytona oval where braking and handling are not an issue.
Obviously not from Australia. Haven’t had any interest in the other unicorns, it’s this car in particular. In fact it’s the car I’m interested in, they just happened to have made it a unicorn. Everybody will have their own interest in obtaining this car, and that’s their entitlement. Certainly justifying themselves to your good self is optional.
Wrong (assumptions and all that); I am from Australia and I would love to have this car in the game, but if T10 decides to make it a unicorn car (I haven’t seen anyone post proof this is a unicorn, just more assumptions), I won’t come on this forum and whinge about it.
ManteoMax identified this car as a unicorn. Appreciate the lack of whinging, perhaps you could apply the same approach to your views of other peoples wishes and comments.
Interesting GT, certainly seems appropriate.
Well I’d have to say that the GTHO is a Unicorn Car, rather than a car that will be available fir purchase later on. Prize cars, competition only cars etc etc are by nature unicorn style cars.
And we have the pt off in that we can only find it buried inside a selection menue shoeing that it’s not available. And in most cases, such cars have ended up as prizes, or for special give always if you’re selected for some task that you’ve completed.
I’d have to say that it’s a unicorn, how could it not be?
OZ
STOP Unicorn!!!
I disagree.
Reason being. While the CURRENT mode of getting one is very limited. Many gamers don’t have the available time frames to fit I with various online comps. If you miss one, that rules you out of even continuing in any comp.
Some alternatives could be that if your time zone doesn’t allow you to compete, due to not only time zone constraints, but also life constraints. Such as a family, work commitments etc.
Then offer the following.
Offering it up for not only several races that complied with say 3 different time zones.
Offering it up for Rivals comps.
Offering it so it gives painters, and photographers opporunity to acquire the cars.
Then after a prescribed period of time, once further DLCs have ceased, that the cars all be made available to gamers who have say completed all the career mode, or all the Shocase modes. Not both, as some simply can’t compete online, so several Shocase Events are Online only.
This would allow almost all real enthusiasts the opportunity to get the cars, at one time, or another.
Any cars won in races or leagues that have special liveries. Then those liveries should only be avalable to the winners of those races. The cars as a stand alone item in factory colours could fit into the above options.
That’s my thoughts around Unicorns. It gives those who want to compete for them, and those that simply want to work through the game the opportunity to get them to.
OZ
Sorry, I don’t agree either - same reason XBoxOZ360 explained above. More unicorns in “competition format” please. If I don’t win it, I’ll just try harder next time.
I agree that unicorns should be stopped.
Having had a few chats with Forza players who are not forumites they expect any content to be available for them to decide whether to buy or not.
They do not play Forza daily but they do play a reasonable amount.
They also do not read all messages and the like instantly.
They could miss out on this car.
At the very least there should be a feature in game which is like wishlist functions on shopping websites where when there is news on the car it gives them a reminder eg read here to find info about how to earn the car.
Most racing games I know with cars to earn are earnt more by grinding than needing to be good. NFS the Run had cars earnable online mainly by racing more.
To non forumites the unicorn idea does not seem the way to go.
Whether people agree with it or not this has once again made me more likely to turn my back on the whole franchise including FH.
I am not angry, simply deciding to spend my gaming dollars and hours elsewhere.
