Just jumped in to an R class hopper excited to drive my new McLaren M23 I won last night on a wheel spin and I realized I can’t select it to use in the hoppers, same with the other 70s open wheel cars. Am I missing something really obvious or what’s the deal?
You can’t use those cars in regular R class races. It was the same in Forza 5. If they add a Beginner’s R class, you may be able to use it.
Now I wish they would take those things off the leaderboards as well.
they are too short to see from other cars which caused too many complains of dirty driving so they removed them from off line. unfortunantly they have very fast acceleration and corner much better so they can sneek up on regular cars who wont even know they are there and run them over. one of the reasons they are so fast and corner so well is because they are so light, so they always lose in a wreck. from a normal car it feels like you tapped something that wasn’t there or a speed bump got placed on the track, you never even know they were there until you see them flipping in the rear view. and if you put them with modern f1 or indy cars they dont have the speed to compete. its like useing a modern vette vs a 70s vette. they need a class of their own to have a fair race. they are featherweights that will wreck every time bumped against regular cars and out teched by modern featherweights.
just like the fast and furiouse cars the, 70s f1 cars were included as a promo for the movie “rush”. you could set up a race with only 70s f1 cars in freeplay or custom lobby online and have fun. but they are so unique they dont really belong on the track with the other cars from forza. they get used as speed bumps against anything else.
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So were they actually allowed in the R class hoppers at one point in time? If they were actually removed that’s absolutely ridiculous, it should be up to the player to recognize that there are inherent trade offs with every vehicle in the game and to deal with them accordingly. Especially if those cons are not really causing problems for other drivers, but for the people who chose to use those F1 cars in the first place, what merit is there in removing them? It should fall to my own discretion whether I want to chance being accidentally run off the road or not, I certainly don’t need T10 holding my hand making that decision for me.
Besides, it’s not like I’m going in to a random online hopper expecting perfectly clean racing and sportsmanship, this is Forza after all - I’m acutely aware of what I’m getting myself into. To say they “don’t belong on the track with the other cars” is a bit ridiculous considering I can happily drive any number of these rolling land barges they added to pander to the crash trolls, which serve no purpose other than to obstruct, collide with and/or infuriate other drivers. Besides, the BAC Mono is light and small relative to other cars. The Ariel Atom, KTM X-bow, Caterham R500, Donkervoort D8 GTO, Formula Ford and Formula E cars all follow suit so why are they all still usable in any hopper where they fit the class requirements? I just don’t understand the logic behind any of it, if it’s in the game, let us use it or else what is the point.
Even if you could set up an all open-wheel R class race in Free Play (we can’t, we don’t have the option to select what cars the drivatars run within a specific class) it would be fruitless because frankly they’re too slow and robotic to provide the same experience. Spending weeks amassing a massive friends list of Forza players isn’t practical either, I shouldn’t have to do that just to entertain the idea of a “somewhat full” private lobby where I can use my choice of car. As it stands right now for me the R class hopper is useless, there’s no P class hopper at all (which is honestly where I’d rather be anyway) and X-class has no appeal so I guess I’ll just remember the good old days when Forza online wasn’t a joke - like I’m in a bloody Pepperidge Farm commercial.
edit - tl;dr: U wot T10?
Not to mention there were huge LB cars. They were 5+secs a lap faster than any thing else. The were ruining R class online. All most like the glitch mini kill the lower class.
They end up having there own lobby.
you weren’t run off the road, you were ping pong balled. those cars make the cars you mention seem like heavy weights. all the cars you mentioned are tall enough you can see them from the other cars. i had my a class viper tuned to r class and it dominated. its top speed was probably 40 mph faster than the go carts past 1/4 mile. you would have to pass me in the corners if you could catch me which you could do on tracks like dubai. on that track it goes from a 90 left to a 90 right with very short straights between and walls lineing the track. you would have to pass me on the outside on the left turn but i would be apexing teh right turn. you were going into the wall. when you stopped spinning if you were facing the correct way you would unghost as soon as you touched the gas and be ping ponged again until the entire train of cars came thru. it doesn’t matter if you hit them or they hit you or what angle, in those go carts you lose.
i do agree with you that the cars that are only used for battering rams should not be allowed on the track. but in that 70s f1 every other car on the track is a battering ram and even the clean drivers are going to run over you because they wont know you caught back up till its too late. all the other cars you mentioned you can see, you know they are there, and the lack the cornering of the f1s so they can get in the same predicament. those cars really belong in p class, but it’s like racing a modle t against a new vette. its far to slow to compete in its rightful class and dropping it a class doesn’t work out either. r class is useless? get a good saleen tune for lemans. get the dodge viper or db9 for other tracks. if you cant win with those you weren’t going to win with the 70s f1 either.
you want to be in p class and xclass has no appeal? you do realize x class is basically p class with the restricter plates removed right? just by the restricter plate upgrade for your p class cars. problem solved.
You’re thoroughly misunderstanding the entirety of what I’m saying.
R class is useless so long as the car I want to drive isn’t usable within the portion of the game in which I wish to drive it, despite being legal within the class. I don’t care about winning the class, I care aout being allowed to compete in the first place. If all I wanted to do was win 24/7 I’d just use leaderboard cars/tunes like everyone else, which would put me to sleep faster than an Ambien. The whole point of Forza is the freedom to drive the cars you want, regardless of whether it’s the fastest car you can possibly have for _______ track. That’s the same reason I’m not advocating that the land barges be removed from the game or disallowed in online competition, because if someone wants to drive one and it’s in the game that’s their prerogative, as irritating as I may find it on a personal level.
As I will state below, in this instance the fact that they are leaderboard cars isn’t what’s driving my desire to use one online, it’s the fact that I had a lot of fun just driving them yesterday and I’d like to race those cars in a more competitive setting that isn’t offered within the single player element of the game. If they need their own “spec” lobby for that to be accomplished, so be it.
Yes, I want to be in P class and X class has no appeal, that’s what I said. X class is tantamount to a Lotus E23 circle jerk, and P class is primarily composed of prototype cars (hence the name). My 905 just barely reaches X class and in all likelihood wouldn’t be competitive, whereas I’m quite confident in the capabilities of my car to compete with the best of P class. While I could run it in X class, I have no desire to do so, and as a result the problem remains very much unsolved.
If they’re that game-breaking then actually give them their own lobby, it’s not even so much that I can’t use them in R class hoppers online, it’s that I can’t use them online period. That’s what I find ridiculous about the whole affair.
Why are cars such as the ariel atom and the classic F1 cars unavailable in R class? I can understand the classic F1 cars but not the atom.
Apparently their PI number is just for show and they aren’t actually balanced at all.
Because they are way to fast for the class. Would dominate online.
What the atom is too good online? I haven’t built a tune for that yet so will give that a try tomorrow but that does seem strange. The old f1 cars, based on FM5 makes sense as any track with medium to high speed corners they end up being at least 2 seconds a lap quicker than anything else.
Then how can we race the classic f1 cars online? I was hoping to…
But there is also cars like the Ultima gtr , Nissan r382, chaparral, m88 and others that are just as fast and faster on tracks. I have 2nd on a track with r382 and I’m the only one up there that’s not in a lotus 77 or 312. What they should really do is just allow all cars in r class and make a hopper for gt3 cars because any car can be those besides maybe the Aston Martin. The gt3 cars are cool but un drivable because of the some cars I just mentioned above. Actually, scratch all of that. What happened to forza 4 just bring back the r3 r2 r1 classes. Just bring back r3 and r2 into the game there is already p and x . It would make a lot more cars competitive.
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Select the classic f1 car from my cars select get in car search for r class race u should be in ur chosen f1 classic online it’s stupid u should have separate lobby’s for the cars u can not select from in a race lobby otherwise y put them cars in game at all pointless
+10000 for GT3 hoppers! And by the way any online GT3 endurance races please;)
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You’re saying that the manufacturers did a really good job building a car and for that we are punished because they are better than the other cars in Forza? Isn’t that just the way the world works?
We should be able to pick the cars and race them.
Is the OP speaking of career or online? I haven’t done a lot online so I haven’t noticed this yet…
Guys, I’ve bought the 1976 Scuderia Ferrari 312 T2 yesterday and tested it in a couple of multiplayer races. Today, when I go to multiplayer R-class, just like I did yesterday, my Scuderia isn’t available. I would understand if it was suddenly banned from R-class or something, but I see other people using it in multiplayer - the same race that won’t let me choose 312 has two other 312s in it. To make things more baffling, the 312 is available if I start my own multiplayer session in R-class. What’s going on?
It seems to be a glitch. The game can pick the car for you as you enter the lobby.
I have restarted the console and launched Forza again and the problem persists. The game shows that I did use 312 before in a my own multiplayer session and there is another 312 in a race I’m joining, but the game picks another car for me and I still can’t see the 312 in my garage.
No, the glitch is that you CAN pick a 312.