This feels like it's designed purely around online racing

So, Ive been a fan of the series since it’s inception, pulling me away from Gran Turismo with the very first title. This career mode is by far the shortest and most, dare I say, incomplete of all the games. Why are there over 500 cars when you can only use maybe 50 in total in career mode? Should we be making our own careers through free play? Im just wondering where the appeal is there. I completed all but two races in FM7’s career mode. I would have finished them all, but my computer seemed to hate two of the endurance races and would always crash back to desktop half way through the race. I went on Google hoping that other cups would unlock as we completed the open series, or something to that nature. It just feels absurdly short.

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I totally understand where you are going with this after seeing how small the career mode is. But by the title I would say it is even worse than just online racing. Because they can’t be bothered with making Private multiplayer "online " races worth a crap because they left out key features. What they want is Featured multiplayer races to be the prominent race type. Anchored by people who want to find a fair, fun place to race with each other only to see the same failures of the past. RAMMERS, not racers have already figured out that pushing people out of the way from behind is the key to winning and the penalty system is clearly not working as intended. Just remember they spent years on making this and the last several months selling it to us as finished and complete. So lack of content, lack of features, poorly implemented penalty system makes me glad for game pass. I am so happy I did NOT buy this game.

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Doesn’t feel like the game is centered around anything, really. It just feels incomplete. Basically every single part of it is missing simple, vital features. From having 50 cars out of 500 featured in career mode (all they had to do to avoid this was not have half the series be 2 or 3 make series) to not allowing Drivatars in private online matches (a feature that’s available in Horizons 5) to not having a power/torque curve graph in tuning/upgrading menus.

It’s a fantastic game that’s completely compromised by an insane amount of terrible design choices and missing features.

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Well if the game is designed about multiplayer then why there are only 3 spec events and 2 open? The car selection is extremely limited and boring.

Why cant we have all classes events open? So we can play car what we want?

Anyway single player is horrible I dont want to even touch it anymore. The bots just ram you off the track no matter what. Its far worse then ppl in multiplayer.

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What is wrong. I did 70 hours in multiplayer. I did 2 races with bots and it was far worse. Dont play with bots lvl 1 then try some higher difficulty. They will wipe you off the track no matter what, they drive on rails and dont see you.

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But in all seriousness. Hes being hyperbolic but they dont have any good detection of proximity or approaches in cornering. If they ever detect a move being made near them, the avoiding action will always be delayed and it will always end up in them driving off track.

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Tbf I hate the career mode.,

It’s just a hang over of gaming of old sans internets.

I don’t even think I even bothered with that career in Forza 7. And only done a few solo on FM8…

FM7 career mode took me 1700+ hours over a 6 year span to finish. This career mode could be finished within a week or two. Well it could if the game saved your progress and didn’t force you to redo races.

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Why… because of bad AI?

I had it half finished and wasn’t going to touch it again but I got a wheel and decided to finish it before the new game. I did have to turn the difficulty down to very easy and basically make every race a time trial because of the AI taking me out and make them short races instead of long. I also did a fair bit of Rivals at the Nordschliefe but no MP.

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ah. FM7 career championship even with worse AI was better, had lot of variety.

The multiplayer, even if the game was “designed” around that (which i dont think btw, its everywhere just bare bones, not only singleplayer) is unplayable for me with the 60fps lock. I just can’t come to the MP at 60 after playing the SP at 120-144fps, it’s just a jarring experience compared. No offense towards the console gamers, but its like as if you were forced to play the game at 30 instead of the 60. Thats exactly how it feels to me coming from 144 to 60.

Agreed - I love the driving a car parts - everything else is a dumpster fire.

I can’t speak from personal experience on this matter - being locked at 60fps 4K on my Desktop as I’m sticking with a fairly old Iiyama monitor that I happen to be very happy with.

Can I ask - what exactly about 60fps do you find jarring because - for shooters / action games I can sort of imagine the issue - but I don’t really know what it is that’s troublesome in a driving game where your stationary in a cockpit view and the world zooms by outside the windows at a steady fps. Do you play on a wheel or on a controller? Does the framerate make such a difference in games when you are using an FFB wheel that has a fixed hz anyway?

FM7 career mode took me 1700+ hours over a 6 year span to finish.

6 Years and 1700 Hours? Really?
The FM7 Career was also way to short. I finished all of this within 2 Months or so without playing every day!

It doesnt make much of a difference unless youre a top .3% player trying to set a rival time. The difference in feel between 30 and 60 is much larger than 60 and 120. Fps games, yes theres a difference but not in a racing game.

But thats the issue in a way, theres no reason to limit pc players other than limitations in the game. On every other pc racing game, any framerate can compete and guess what its fine. Theres plenty of fast players with low fps as well as slow players with high fps.

Its not about fairness, its about being “built from the ground up” incorrectly.

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Yeah that makes sense I guess if I were sat here playing at 120 on my pc during single player I’d be frustrated at un-necessary limitations due to lazy or incomplete development (in multiplayer).

If anyone wants to see how multiplayer SHOULD work and how it’s intense fun, check out mobile game Assoluto Racing. It’s literally an anything goes multiplayer. The players decide. You can drag race, car meets and show off your rides, race any car against any car, etc.

With FM I don’t even do multiplayer. It seems pointless to me and I’m fine with offline. Also I’m not going paying MS a monthly fee just to play online.

FM7 Career took me forever as well to complete (as you had to go through it twice for 100%), the first time I was running max-length races though but regardless it was still 10x longer than FM2023’s career is (Builder’s Cup feels like an intro series and there should be an Advanced or Pro Cup afterwards that just never appears.