I’m almost certain the new Forza that Phil Spencer was referring to is the next Forza Horizon.
3 Likes
I am confident the next Forza will be from PGG. By not specifying Horizon, it makes me wonder if they will rebrand simply as the “Forza” game with motorsport disappearing. From a business perspective it makes sense, as the more simcade oriented motorsport faithful are a very small niche and motorsport isn’t likely to scale even if it was a great game. From a racing game fan perspective it would be awful.
1 Like
I don’t know. Q3 / Q4 of this year alone will see Project Motorsport , RenneSport , NASCAR , a possible update to ACC on console with a few other sim & simcade titles expected on console in 2026.
With titles like these coming to console there must be a big enough interest in realistic track racing games to warrant it.
It wasn’t lack of interest that effected FM sales , it was technical issues from launch & the hammering it took from gaming reviews.
Yes, the more casual open world racers like FH are very popular , just look at the recent Car X Street reviews on Xbox , but I believe theres a healthy , growing interest in realistic track racing games & MS would be silly to drop FM all together & go with one Forza title based off Horizon.
I honestly think the Forza announcement will be FH6.
4 Likes
I’m trying to look at it from a business/shareholder perspective. Motorsport will always be more niche even if it was successful than other bigger games that basically print money. It’s an industry epidemic of large companies focusing on wide appeal games that are easy to monetize. While motorsport can probably be profitable with improvements, that is generally not enough for big publishers.
If FM was successful and good enough to compete with GT7 (which has its own problems), it could maybe have made the jump to Playstation to get wide enough appeal to justify it. But right now it would be trounced and hurt Microsoft’s reputation as a platform wide publisher.
All the games you mentioned outside of Rennsport are smaller studios that are allowed to be niche players. NASCAR does have the possibility of being huge. PMR will likely be the PC2 of this generation. Will pull players initially until they realize it’s not controller friendly.
Rennsport is backed by big non-gaming players with deep pockets that have blown money on all kinds of things (think F1 and various region tracks) that don’t answer to anyone but themselves. Rennsport should have died a long time ago under normal circumstances, and even given their situation are likely getting desperate.
5 Likes
“TrIpLe-A” game company executives & shareholders have likely noticed how lucrative some mobile games are.
Dev teams can probably pump out multiple mobile games (& monetized content for them) much faster & cheaper than they can for larger-scale console & PC games.
For that reason, “TrIpLe-A” games as we’ve historically known them might soon be relics.
2 Likes
I see what you mean & while what your saying is true I wouldn’t like to see them give up on FM as a franchise altogether , especially when it comes to the next generation of consoles. I dont expect anything to massively boost sales with the current FM outing , but to write the franchise off completely would imho be a bit drastic of MS. I believe both games can exist as separate franchises & be profitable , though Horizon will always appeal to a much broader audience & sell more units.
It’s all about how you can monetize. Mobile games are huge potential with smaller risk. In the triple-A framework, it either has to be a blockbuster or an infinitely monetizeable live service.
For Motorsport specifically, they needed to be a big enough player on gamepass to justify costs. While I suspect T10 has been smaller than Horizon this generation, not to the degree it has underperformed. 19,000 steam players compared to 1000 Horizon vs Motorsport. While Motorsport had a lot of game pass and xbox pc store players, so does Horizon. And Horizon is strong enough to mount money on Playstation steadily the more casual GT7 crowd.
I do think this is the last motorsport. It’s just a matter of how much and how long will they support it. Well it be given a chance to be a core niche game with a smaller staff that slowly improves it over time like a lot smaller sim studios do? I mean look at Reiza and how they chug along with AMS2.
This is the LAST Motorsport. The game will continue to get updates for a amount of years getting new tracks and cars. We just need to wait about how much time we are gonna get these updates and which window T10 will work with it.
I expect they back with 2-3 months Track Launching.
Otherwise i would love to see a new FM that is capable to compete with GT. PD is still doing their GT beacause there is a market for it and it has millions of fans and sales.
And if there is a FM again that will be good enough it will also have fans and sales enough again and will be in the toplists again like GT still is on PS.
It just has to be a good experience for every player who is interested in racing games. A good look and feel, the design language and the menu design first is very important and also the sound and music counts.
It is, of course, the most important how it feels on the track, how the AI behaves, how lifelike it feels, how vivid it feels, how real it feels (for a simcade game) and how it sounds. Not to forget to implement a good tuning with changing sounds and car behavior and optical tuning.
And it’s not less important to bring the history of cars and motorsport and the history of it to the player. FM had mostly a lack of it and GT always did it much better with the emotions of cars and history.
With all that content and enough cars and tracks (also city tracks) end events with a good soundtrack to celebrate the cars and motorsport and the history of cars and motorsport it would be the perfect FM for me.
I.e. actually you can buy a Sauber C9, a Mazda 787B oder a Jaguar XJ220 in the game. But nobody today knows what legendary cars they were at it’s time when the player just play FM 2023. You just buy them and have them, nothing more. That’s one of so much things FM 2023 is missing. In other words: where’s the soul and passion of/behind FM 2023?
3 Likes
Forza doesn’t need self-righteous people who don’t listen to their users, neither developers nor forum moderators.
This last update was to just give the users a bare bones career. Hoping to keep adding some new users every month.
There will be no more career improvements.
Doubtful any significant updates. The game will just run and have bug fixes. It might make it to next year.
2 Likes
Anyone else finish the featured playlist after having most of it done and NOT received the aston gte?
Hi, Challenge Hub says I already finished Road to Race and I think I can’t get the Aston twice…
Nearly same problem
You can definitely receive cars twice, but ive never gotten the aston before… hopefully i can get it, but who knows
Of course it is. There is no Motorsport game in the works, they said that years ago.
The people who plays offline deserves a career mode like this, better of course. More events, focused on brands, rivalries and historic. But yes, is one appreciated step in the right direction. I hope they keep the focus and give us more content like this
4 Likes
I prefer to play offline, as I don’t have to deal with the crummy drivers; also I can drive at my own pace.
5 Likes
What T10 declares as career mode in Forza Motorsport is nothing more than free racing and nothing else.
What is presented here has nothing to do with a career mode.
A career should start from scratch. I start small and work my way up through the classes. In the end, I drive Nascar or Formula 1 or something like that.
During my career, I earn credits, sign sponsorship deals, get certain cars provided by sponsors, and then, when I have enough money, I buy my own racing team. I manage my mechanics, pit crew, engineers, etc. The whole thing is garnished with a competitor, a few nice cutscenes, and a little insignificant story.
There are tons of racing games that have shown how to do this.
Just look at the media presentation of Forza Horizon. It works there, and Horizon has millions of players.
A proper career mode would certainly do Forza good, because at the moment Forza Motorsport is just a sandbox with poor AI and zero incentive to do anything. When I race, I want to get something out of it in the end. You search in vain for achievements, even though there are so many possibilities. Forza could be so much more if the developers or those responsible had a little more imagination.
2 Likes