specialty dealer

[Caution_Clock]

@Sendo_Tenshi

@Caution_Clock

@gosensgo6933

@Caution_Clock

@gosensgo6933

It’s not about who grasps what. It’s about poor game design. Every year they seem to take out information from the proper areas.

If you remember Forza 4, you didn’t have to go running around to find out how many cylinders a car has, how much torque, what the displacement is, to what cars you owned.

It’s just poor game design making us have to jump through hoops to find out the info you want.

When there’s several different years of a model, and you own several hundred cars, and there are Forza editions, you can easily forget if you have a car or not. (And older Forzas where you might have owned the car but not in the newer game)

They already have the coding in the game recognizing if you own the car or not(hence the pop up when you have enough money to purchase the car), might as well tie in the house logo to that coding. It’s not hard.

why are people ok with them omitting more and more information with every version of this game?

Or just spend seven extra seconds to see, if you own a certain car from the Specialty Dealer already or not. Forza Motorsport 7 has many issues; you being too lazy to spend a few seconds to see if you have a certain car or not, is a non-issue.

You do realize the criticism is that proper game design like Forza used to have meant not having to take 7 or more seconds to go through other menus to find the info you want.

Therefore, the menus are poorly designed. You can keep defending them, but won’t change the fact that they’re poorly designed. Criticism, however, might actually mean better designs in future iterations of the game.

The focus should be on bigger issues, not you being too lazy or not liking the menus. For 1 to 2% of the players the game won’t even start up; they aren’t even able to see those “poorly designed menus”. Let’s focus on those kinda issues first before tackling things that aren’t good in YOUR opinion. And please, don’t come with a reply like “Well, it’s also a player’s opinion that the game is poor if it won’t start up”. A game not starting up means it’s broken and what’s broken needs fixing.

Too bad people these days like to complain about everything. Sometimes you just have to take the L and enjoy the things about the game you do like.

Perhaps you need to “take the L” and let users post what they feel on these official forums. You don’t get to determine what the “focus” should be. If folks have issues, post on the technical forums like everyone else does. If folks have criticisms and suggestions, then post on this forum. Mods can determine what is allowed on here.

If I had your way of thinking, my game starts up fine since Day One, why should I care for the “1%” who can’t get the game started? Is that on the PC? Then play on the console. See how that works? Thankfully most folks aren’t like this on here. There is room for everyone here.

Although I do agree with the “complain about everything”, it’s a case by case basis. Alot of us “complainers” got VIP changed. Those folks who were telling us it’s “not a big deal” or the shills certainly accomplished zero while the “complainers” got something done.

I’ll still complain about the missing “SS” badges/names on the cars (Chevy, Holden) when new Forza games arrive because there is no need for it. MS/T10 are the only ones who made an effort to do this even pinning Chevy on it, even though that was debunked. Is it a big deal overall? Probably not, but the omission is dubious in my opinion and now they have the “least accurate” SS…I mean “Super Sport” cars compared to other racing games. (GT Sport)

If you want to “let users post what they feel”, then let me post what I feel too, which is in this case sharing my opinion that I think the focus should be on bigger issues than the house-icon not showing up in the Specialty Dealer. You basically told me to shut up, because no one should be told to shut up.

[ManteoMax]

If the repeat cycle continues, this would be the set list for May based on the current set repeating from Feb. 6-13.

May 1-8 (Feb 13-20)

• 2004 Honda Civic Type-R
• 2012 Land Rover Range Rover Supercharged
• 2009 MINI John Cooper Works
• 2016 Rolls-Royce Dawn

May 8-15 (Feb 20-27)

• 1987 Nissan Skyline GTS-R (R31)
• 2010 Aston Martin One-77
• 2015 Jaguar XKR-S GT
• 2016 Nissan Titan Warrior Concept

May 15-22 (Feb 27 - Mar 6)

• 2014 BMW M4 Coupe
• 2009 Ford Focus RS
• 2009 Pagani Zonda Cinque Roadster

May 22-29 (Mar 6-13. This was also the first set at game launch.)

• 1971 Ford Falcon XY GTHO Phase III
• 2010 Mazda MX-5 Super20
• 1995 Nissan NISMO GT-R LM

[JBTheCarGeek]

This week’s Specialty Dealer cars:

• 2004 Honda Civic Type R (59,800 Cr)
• 2012 Land Rover Range Rover Supercharged (98,900 Cr)
• 2009 MINI John Cooper Works (65,550 Cr)
• 2016 Rolls-Royce Dawn (391,000 Cr)

via Imgflip Meme Generator

[zzjorzz]

Another disappointing day at the special vendor.

[yerfdog65]

I use to save up credits all week and make sure I was logged in to grab a low production number car from the Specialty Dealer. After so many repeats, this was the first week I forgot to even look. I was online for the May Forzathon and noticed a ‘new’ flag on the SD. And of course… all repeats. I’m still seeing 21 locked cars in my game and we’ve only had 4 new SD cars this year.

[gosensgo6933]

This thread is to complain about the game, not to complain about people complaining. You can create your own thread to complain about people complaining if you’d like.

[YanaYaYa_UK]

I was lazy and impatient the first time I bought a car I already owned in the SD. I don’t expect the developers to work unpaid overtime because of my laziness and impatience that will save me less than 10 seconds a week.

[Caution_Clock]

@YanaYaYa_UK

I was lazy and impatient the first time I bought a car I already owned in the SD. I don’t expect the developers to work unpaid overtime because of my laziness and impatience that will save me less than 10 seconds a week.

Exactly my point. Thank you.

[gosensgo6933]

@Caution_Clock

@YanaYaYa_UK

I was lazy and impatient the first time I bought a car I already owned in the SD. I don’t expect the developers to work unpaid overtime because of my laziness and impatience that will save me less than 10 seconds a week.

Exactly my point. Thank you.

Your point is that poor game design is ok because customers shouldn’t be lazy?

No one is saying they shouldn’t fix bigger problems…it’s that they should design the game and menus in a better way in future games, like they have in previous games.

It’s like you’re reading what you want to read, and getting offended that someone thinks a feature is poorly designed because you think other issues are bigger, but that isn’t the point I’m making. Nowhere did I say “fix the specialty dealer before you fix the game crashing for some” so youre basically not replying to me at all. You’re replying to some imaginary post. All I’m saying is many features in this game are poorly designed. I’m explaining why they’re poorly designed in hopes they get fixed in the future. The fact I think they might get rid of a feature has NO bearing on whether it needs to be improved or not so your last question wasnt even valid.

The fact that there’s almost 70 pages of posts with the majority being negative comments/complaints about the specialty dealer shows that you’re in the minority here. You may like the way the specialty dealer is designed but many many many others don’t. Why does this offend you???

[gosensgo6933]

@YanaYaYa_UK

I was lazy and impatient the first time I bought a car I already owned in the SD. I don’t expect the developers to work unpaid overtime because of my laziness and impatience that will save me less than 10 seconds a week.

But do you expect them to, from now on, have the forethought to put it in future installments of the game?

I mean, we get that many of these fixes might cost too many man hours to fix, therefore at this point, isn’t worth it.

But perhaps they can have the forethought to design the game in a better way in the future? Is that asking too much?

Complaining online in forums and social media in Mass numbers might not change the current game, but it sure as hell can have an impact on the next game that comes out. That could be the point here.

I’m willing to bet the next Forza does not have a specialty dealer because of the backlash(or at the very least revamp it). I don’t, however, expect them to change it on Fm7.

Makes sense, no?

[Caution_Clock]

@gosensgo6933

@YanaYaYa_UK

I was lazy and impatient the first time I bought a car I already owned in the SD. I don’t expect the developers to work unpaid overtime because of my laziness and impatience that will save me less than 10 seconds a week.

But do you expect them to, from now on, have the forethought to put it in future installments of the game?

I mean, we get that many of these fixes might cost too many man hours to fix, therefore at this point, isn’t worth it.

But perhaps they can have the forethought to design the game in a better way in the future? Is that asking too much?

Complaining online in forums and social media in Mass numbers might not change the current game, but it sure as hell can have an impact on the next game that comes out. That could be the point here.

I’m willing to bet the next Forza does not have a specialty dealer because of the backlash(or at the very least revamp it). I don’t, however, expect them to change it on Fm7.

Makes sense, no?

Then why do you spend your time complaining about poor design in the Specialty Dealer with the purpose of letting developers know, it should be fixed in future installments, when you seem pretty damn sure it won’t even be in the next installment?

[gosensgo6933]

@Caution_Clock

@gosensgo6933

@YanaYaYa_UK

I was lazy and impatient the first time I bought a car I already owned in the SD. I don’t expect the developers to work unpaid overtime because of my laziness and impatience that will save me less than 10 seconds a week.

But do you expect them to, from now on, have the forethought to put it in future installments of the game?

I mean, we get that many of these fixes might cost too many man hours to fix, therefore at this point, isn’t worth it.

But perhaps they can have the forethought to design the game in a better way in the future? Is that asking too much?

Complaining online in forums and social media in Mass numbers might not change the current game, but it sure as hell can have an impact on the next game that comes out. That could be the point here.

I’m willing to bet the next Forza does not have a specialty dealer because of the backlash(or at the very least revamp it). I don’t, however, expect them to change it on Fm7.

Makes sense, no?

Then why do you spend your time complaining about poor design in the Specialty Dealer with the purpose of letting developers know, it should be fixed in future installments, when you seem pretty damn sure it won’t even be in the next installment?

The feature either needs to be revamped or removed or else people will keep complaining…duh.

What is it that you’re not understanding? People don’t like features. People voice their opinions. Features will change or not based on how many people like it or not.

Why are you taking complaints so personal. Did you yourself design the specialty dealer and are sad that no one likes it? It makes zero sense complaining about how others don’t like certain features. Care to explain why you take others opinions so seriously if you yourself aren’t even part of the team that designed this feature. The feature is not liked well. Get over it. Hopefully with continued complaints it will get revamped or removed in future installments. Not very hard to comprehend.

[luckeydoug1]

@gosensgo6933

… Features will change or not based on how many people like it or not.

I’m not all that sure about this point. I think it is wishful thinking on your part.

@gosensgo6933

The feature is not liked well.

I don’t think it is the feature that is not well liked, but rather the choice and rotation of what is being offered

@gosensgo6933

Hopefully with continued complaints it will get revamped or removed in future installments.

Now, this point is valid. You can hope for change, but regardless of the number of complaints, change is not guaranteed.

[gosensgo6933]

@luckeydoug1

@gosensgo6933

… Features will change or not based on how many people like it or not.

I’m not all that sure about this point. I think it is wishful thinking on your part.

@gosensgo6933

The feature is not liked well.

I don’t think it is the feature that is not well liked, but rather the choice and rotation of what is being offered

@gosensgo6933

Hopefully with continued complaints it will get revamped or removed in future installments.

Now, this point is valid. You can hope for change, but regardless of the number of complaints, change is not guaranteed.

For sure. I’m not talking in absolutes. I’m just saying, generally if you want change, you should voice your opinion.

Many people have voiced their displeasure about the specialty dealership…be it the choice or the menu or anything else.

A product is more likely to change with customers voicing their complaints. It worked with vip. It might work with horizon 4 or fm8. We’ll see. I’ll just never get the people that get offended when people don’t like a feature that has nothing to do with them personally.

What does caution clock care if me or many others don’t like certain features? No need to put words in my mouth assuming I want them fixed as priority, for example (something I never said).

[Caution_Clock]

@gosensgo6933

@Caution_Clock

@gosensgo6933

@YanaYaYa_UK

I was lazy and impatient the first time I bought a car I already owned in the SD. I don’t expect the developers to work unpaid overtime because of my laziness and impatience that will save me less than 10 seconds a week.

But do you expect them to, from now on, have the forethought to put it in future installments of the game?

I mean, we get that many of these fixes might cost too many man hours to fix, therefore at this point, isn’t worth it.

But perhaps they can have the forethought to design the game in a better way in the future? Is that asking too much?

Complaining online in forums and social media in Mass numbers might not change the current game, but it sure as hell can have an impact on the next game that comes out. That could be the point here.

I’m willing to bet the next Forza does not have a specialty dealer because of the backlash(or at the very least revamp it). I don’t, however, expect them to change it on Fm7.

Makes sense, no?

Then why do you spend your time complaining about poor design in the Specialty Dealer with the purpose of letting developers know, it should be fixed in future installments, when you seem pretty damn sure it won’t even be in the next installment?

The feature either needs to be revamped or removed or else people will keep complaining…duh.

What is it that you’re not understanding? People don’t like features. People voice their opinions. Features will change or not based on how many people like it or not.

Why are you taking complaints so personal. Did you yourself design the specialty dealer and are sad that no one likes it? It makes zero sense complaining about how others don’t like certain features. Care to explain why you take others opinions so seriously if you yourself aren’t even part of the team that designed this feature. The feature is not liked well. Get over it. Hopefully with continued complaints it will get revamped or removed in future installments. Not very hard to comprehend.

I’m understanding this all perfectly. What I think you don’t seem to understand is that I’m not taking your complaints personal, but I do think some complaints that are being voiced, are somewhat selfish and I’m free to say that. (If I do cross a line here, I’d love to here that from a moderator and I’d be sincerely sorry). I’d much rather have Turn10 fixing the start up issue, which I’m not even suffering from, because for me it’s working just fine, than them fixing one tiny (not-even-per-sé-necessary) house-icon not showing up. I’m just glad that, unlike for some other people, for me the game actually starts up. I’m allowed to say that I think a certain complaint could be considered a non-issue in the development of the game right now. You giving me a hard time for what you consider, me giving others a hard time, is not helping the house-icon “issue”.

[gosensgo6933]

Delete please

[talby71]

Sure does goesngoesngoesngoose
Gt suits you

[GeneralGarric69]

@luckeydoug1

Now, this point is valid. You can hope for change, but regardless of the number of complaints, change is not guaranteed.

It’s never guaranteed, but more complaints will make change more likely. I guess we’ll see how much Turn 10 values feedback in FM9.

@talby71

Sure does goesngoesngoesngoose
Gt suits you

The sarcastic and flippant replies to complaints (not just this one) hardly help things either. If the original post is respectful and the suggestion improves the games, I see no reason to have a negative attitude to it.

Developers and players should always strive for ways to improve the current or upcoming games, that’s what can make games great.

[lipsi99]

Curious one this. I knew they are all duplicates again. But, I went through the motion of checking each one and on the 2012 Land Rover Range Rover Supercharged I didn’t get the message saying your collector score won’t increase. So I purchased it. Turns out I did buy it on 29 November 2017 #544, collector value 127, class B573. The one I purchased today #7176 is collector value 171, but still class. B573. So I assume my collector score has increased by 44; which I think is what the message said when I purchased it. Anyone come across this before? Seems you need to check them even when they are duplicates. Check it out.

[CRracer_912]

Yep, I’ve had that happen. I don’t know about the land rover, cause it just doesn’t do it for me.