Glad to see my thread has gained momentum
Keep posting and hopefully something gets done about this!!!
At least you guys get online . My multiplayer is broken no matter what I try to do hey. When my online was working there weren’t to many wreckers but then again that was 3 months ago.
bring back custom public lobbies give power back to the player to kick dirty racers
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What has recently been annoying me is the lack of spatial awareness. When im running close to someone I always brake earlier than normal to accomodate the fact that someone might be using a different tune, using ABS, or just generally poor at braking. What often happens when im being held up is I get smashed off from someone behind me because im wary of hitting the person in front of me. Even when im seriously being held up by someone who is say 3-4secs a lap slower than me, I still wait until I can pass cleanly. I have many replays saved where I am 50ft behind someone for 4 laps and yet never tapped their car once. Obviously accidents happen especially when for example someone is hard on the brakes on a section that im flat out on. However simply slowing down and allowing them to pass followed by an apology is the right thing to do.
Finally I keep hearing Turn 10 need to sort this out. Sorry but we as a community are responsible for the quality of racing. Also if you do keep being smashed off the track do not seek revenge. This only makes matters worse and follows into subsequent races.
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I have been guitly of that one on both ends. I don’t really categorize it in the same realm as dirty.
Sometimes racing can be unpredictable and the wrong decision, which we can all be guilty of, can cause unfortunate accidents.
Generally after a few races and apologies… and I usually pull aside and let folks pass me (when they don’t immediately quit before you can show remorse) I begin to auto-correct or become more aware of others habits during a few races.
For those guys that you see making the same mistakes quite often, like race after race… i avoid them like the plague, I just make sure to never be close to them on track. I don’t care about losing but I so want to at least be IN the race.
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I have been guitly of that one on both ends. I don’t really categorize it in the same realm as dirty.
Sometimes racing can be unpredictable and the wrong decision, which we can all be guilty of, can cause unfortunate accidents.
Generally after a few races and apologies… and I usually pull aside and let folks pass me (when they don’t immediately quit before you can show remorse) I begin to auto-correct or become more aware of others habits during a few races.
For those guys that you see making the same mistakes quite often, like race after race… i avoid them like the plague, I just make sure to never be close to them on track. I don’t care about losing but I so want to at least be IN the race.
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Yes this!! I get as big of a kick out of a great close race as well as winning a race. Coming out on top after a close hard fought race is the best. But, this is a game and I have never saw money from winning a race out of my Xbox. But, playing a game is supposed to be fun. And that just grts lost on people who feel winning at all costs is the only way to play. I would rather have a good time some laughs rather than argue with someone about the same game.
It is this type of thing that has frustrated me the most in this weeks Can-am league and is one of the reasons I haven’t participated much. There are a lot of fast drivers in pinnacle at the moment who just seem incapable of sitting behind a slower moving racer and passing them cleanly.
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On the flip side, I’ve seen many drivers completely buckle under pressure when faster drivers approach, and then make irrational decisions when recovering from mistakes, or think that they can fight even when the fight is over.
Agreed, however those of us that care about clean racing appear to be in the minority and we can’t influence such a wide playerbase on our own.
I suggested more obvious loading screen tips before; if it’s something that Turn 10 might consider I can do some mockups as a proof of concept:
Some tips are in the Load Screens already. Like for instance tips for racing in the rain, and others that escape me right now. So maybe some more tips along those lines in the load screens.
Also players trying to tell folks how they should race can sometimes just cause more problems. Because a quote from Jay Leno comes to mind: “All men think that they are the best at 2 things driving a car and being a great lover.” I would imagine racing in a video game will fall within that quote for some folks too. Meaning that if you try to help someone out they have to be willing to accept that help. If not it will go bad, really fast for the person who is just trying to help someone out.
Also if someone is constantly smashing into groups of cars in the 1st corner or subsequent slower corners. Either they are doimd it on purpose with the hope of advancing their postion or hoping they are causing as much havok as they can. Or they are really not learning from their mistakes and probably should turn on the best line assist feature in the game and follow it and slow down when the triangles turn red. Heck I use the best line feature myself still because sometimes I will forget about some Alt Circuit layouts like the Road America Alt Circuit will still get me on the 1st lap if I didnt see it when the next track co es up.
There are some legit really good racers who cause wrecks and spins just to win races… Not just purposful wreckers that dont really know how to race out there…They will tap your rear corner in last lap turn to spin you to win the race… This will never be cured unless big changes happen…
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Well, in my opinion you can neither be good or legit and spin or wreck people to win a race. A good or legit racer will find a way around the other player to win or settle for second and say: “Good race let’s go again”. And that is how change happens…
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It was horrible in the Can-Am league last night. Had one guy that was just a complete douche, inboxed 4 or 5 of us to call us [Mod Edit - Abbreviated profanity, profanity and profanity that is disguised but still alludes to the words are not permitted - D] because we were all running clean lines and he wasn’t able to run “his” line without us getting in his way. He then proceeded to wreck the lot of us. I reported him 2x and we even tried to kick him but in a lobby of 24, we only got like 4 or 5 votes (the guys he was wrecking). This went on for 3 or 4 races before a few took matters into their own hands.
You know retaliators are usually the ones that caught and punished.
There’s been a few people asking why they’ve been banned in the past few days
All involved wrecking
The absolute most frustrating thing for me is when a really good driver resorts to pitting or spinning you to advance. The current leader in one of the Can-Am leagues was guilty of that in a couple races with him. He was good enough that I just assumed he was a clean racer. The first time I noticed it, we were racing a good, tight race. He was ahead of me but I was right behind him for 2 laps, trying to find my spot to pass and sometimes just struggling to keep up. I saw an opening one time and took it, got past him cleanly and drove like mad to stay in front of him since we only had a half lap left. On both of the last two corners he tried to pit me to get past. It was a win at all cost mentality with him. The first time he hit me we both went off. I happened to recover just before him. The next time I was able to control the car and finish in front of him.
But my thinking, and I actually said it to him, is, “Dude! You’re too good of a driver to be doing stuff like that! Just drive clean!” So frustrating…
The guys who wreck just to wreck, well, you know who they are. You expect it and you prepare for it. You get hit, you sigh, recover, and hope to recover before they do because they’re not going to be able to catch you with their ‘drift driving’. But these other guys, somehow I just expect them to be clean. I’m so focused on being clean with them that it comes as a surprise when they knock me off course.
As far as a solution, give legitimate players the power to moderate in rooms. How do you determine ‘legitimacy’? Please don’t think it’s impossible. Let’s not give anyone an excuse not to do this… They could look at reputation, forum involvement in topics like these, other community involvement. If you don’t want to go through that much work, automatically assign that power to Xbox Ambassadors. They volunteer their time to better the Xbox experience. I know. I do it. And these Ambassadors could also police each other. I would definitely volunteer my time to simply spectate if I didn’t feel like racing just to keep the racing clean for all drivers. This would work. It’s a simple, easy to implement solution. Is it perfect? No. Can you find a flaw? Sure. But tell me a solution that’s more direct that has no flaws. With this solution, in time, the griefers would not even bother, knowing there’s a good chance they’re just gonna get booted, or, better yet, banned from Xbox live altogether. It just wouldn’t be worth it.
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That’s unfortunately the way it goes, when in competition there are many that try too hard to win and will overstep the mark.
I can name a lot of people in current and past leagues that I’ve raced in who are among the top 20 or so, that shouldn’t be there and half of their success is down to cheating be it wrecking or corner cutting.
I hope this never happens. This is rife for abuse if powers are in the wrong hands. Who’s legitamate? People on the leaderboards? People with more time to play and develop relationships with other daily players? Forum involvement? That could be construed as “people I like”. Whats to separate a “volunteer” from a power hungry person?
No, if this is done, I will loudly complain. Not because I defend cheaters, of course not. But a solution like this is way too far in the other direction. People have their own motives, I do not trust it. I prefer a stat based or unfortunately even ghosting solutions.
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This is the thought process that prevents any solution from ever being implemented. Looking solely at the worst of the “what ifs”…
Any solution that is employed needs to be done well. It needs to be done in such a way that you minimize the chances that the worst “what ifs” will become a reality. Just picking people randomly off of a leaderboard is a wildly reckless and thoughtless way of doing this. Who would do that? As I suggested, there are people here and in the Xbox Ambassadors program who have demonstrated for years their fair, balanced, community based thinking. The thought that ‘no one can be trusted’ is silly. We all know people whom we trust. So since we can all agree that ‘someone’ can be trusted, it’s up to the powers that be to do a prudent search and identify and employ these individuals. And once implemented, they have the ability to police each other.
There is more than meets the eye to implement something like people are recommending for “super moderators” in the races. First, just who has all that available time to be viewing each race all the time? How long do the individual races last? There is a system already in place, and even these crashers can be reported through the mechanism described many times via the Xbox Live dashboard. And some of you already have private messages on this forum with information.
Secondly, IF someone had the power to “kick” for instance, a badly behaving person whose intent is crashing everyone, there is no in-game mechanism available to suspend that person’s account so they don’t turn right around and join another lobby to repeat their actions.
Thirdly, there is no method, other than individually saving Replays, to “send” a Replay anywhere. We don’t have Gifting, so that method is out.
And, Fourth, most people who post complaint after complaint in various threads, quite honestly may follow up with a proper replay or two and then fade into the background because they realize just how much time it takes. It is easier not to race online (or worse, just retaliate which creates “wars” in the races where others not involved are caught up) and attempt to make it someone else’s problem to correct.
Unless Turn 10’s developers would feel an urgency to write a bunch of coding, make changes to FM6 itself, and then spend time to implement the process with trusted, long-time, honest drivers, it won’t happen. And the “community staff” is smaller than one might think. Who on the Turn 10 staff will process all the information generated? A long-time employee just went on to other things, and apparently hasn’t been replaced. You work in vacations, and the fact they don’t work weekends and holidays, where does that leave us?
Certainly not suggesting this or any other solution would be easy. You’re right, Turn 10 doesn’t have the staff to monitor this online. That’s why I think the Xbox Ambassadors could help. That’s why I think that “we” could help. But even then, yes, you’re correct, not every race could be monitored. But a lot more would be monitored than are now. And I agree, the system would have to be modified so that the mods could dole out more severe punishment than just a kick from a room. Even if it’s just a 10 minute or 1 hour ban, it would discourage. It would make the process less fun than the absolute free for all it is now for the wreckers.
As I mentioned, no solution is perfect. But I would much rather have an imperfect system than one that is either non-existent or so cumbersome that no one uses it to any noticeable effect so that it may as well be non-existent. I’ve reported countless wreckers. But how many do that? And realistically, how many ever will? There is the vote to kick option. Have you ever tried to get others in a room to vote with you? It’s useless. So what I’m saying is, we can sit around and poke holes in one solution after another and simply continue suffering with online racing and keep complaining forever, or, something can be put into the works to dampen the problem. Notice I didn’t say solve. But which would we rather have? Nothing or something?