It’s a real painful decision when I have a 2800 lb car, and the roll cage brings it up to 3000 lbs. I understand that it helps with the handling and stability of the car, but is it really worth the extra weight to pull around during the race? Need some experience tips. Thanks.
Depends on how the car handles without it.
Does the roll cage help with stabilize the car? Does it handle better and enable you to produce faster lap times when added?
Typically, I don’t use the roll cage but every once in a while you will see it in a car I’ve made.
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That’s exactly what I needed to know. I wasn’t sure if it was a mandatory thing or a preference thing. That cleared a lot of confusion. Looks like a lot of my high horsepowered Muscle cars are gonna need the roll cage.
Only if you are running them for grip. Else, I would only use the street roll cage. If you’re over 3300-3400lbs I would be concerned.
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I just use max reinforcement without the cage. Unless you are going for the racing car look, it makes cars look silly. Not sure if really does, but I would imagine it increases the center of gravity as well
When you add it to the car, you’re grip goes up. It will also make the car less susceptible to damage if you hit something (with damage on).
Can you not just remove some weight to offset the roll cage? It’s how I do it if i feel the need for one. Within relevant PI limits of course.
I use the rollcage in my tunes on a few of the Team Forza versions of cars. Those cars are already tuned towards the maximum PI in their class so adding a rollcage (and/or heavier rims) is usually the only way to lower PI just a little and be able to add racing brakes, racing suspension, racing gearbox if they are not yet included. You won’t end up with a topspeed car but one that handles really well around the curved tracks.
The alternative is to just jump to 1 class higher but I don’t want to do that with the TF cars.
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I’ve found the car will let you know if it needs it. I had one trying to tell me for 2 hours the other day… I was trying to avoid the extra weight, but that extra weight was what it needed
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There’s only one way to find out: Test.
Run a few laps with your current build, note the time.
Change the build to accommodate a cage and run again. If it’s faster keep the cage.
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Totally car + track dependant.
Some are better with, some without.
Just like some cars are better with weight, not less.
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This is the answer.
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For lower classes i would say no. When you start getting into s and above they can help
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It’s biggest benefit you might realise is on most older cars. This is because their torsional rigidity is vastly inferior to modern machines. In other words the chassis is more prone to flexing and that is generally poor for handing, it can render suspension adjustments considerably less effective.
You’ll see in the game which is nice. Many newer particularly high performance cars are already designed very stiff so have little additional benefits from the roll cages, but many older cars it makes a genuinely big difference on how good a platform they are for tuning.
I have always been a skeptic of people saying this. Sure theoretically you are correct. But i’ve never heard anyone from turn10 mention anything about chassis flex being part of their physics model. Due to the generic platform of every car in the game I am still highly doubting it. The one reason i think people tend to believe this is by nature those cars have very soft floaty suspensions, so adding the cage does stiffen the car a bit. Similar to the idea that race suspension essentially adds the same suspension to every car even tho the max and min numbers are different, they are relative to the car and making nearly all cars of same drivetrain feel the same.
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Turn 10 have claimed as early as Forza 3 chassis flex was taken into account. It’s been mentioned way back when, and recently again for Forza 6 by a few different T10 members.
So there’s that…
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I always match the chassis reinforcement to the weight reduction for realism. Also to stay true to the spirirt of RL motorsports. I’m not fast enough to post top times anyway. Most likely any sanctioning body would require roll cages if race was at the level of fully stripped weight. Not being high and mighty, just a pathetic middle -aged creep who likes to pretend that this is real. If I load a tune that has full reduction but no reinforcement I don’t use it even if faster and feels great.
Personally I throw a roll cage on everything, but I’m by no means a very good tuner.
I do the opposite I never put roll cage because I play in cockpit vue, but when I download tunes some cars have one and I have to admit sometimes the cars handle better.
i play cockpit and i always try to put a cage on.
you get used to it.
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