This is my first real attempt at tuning. Using everything I could muster, I set out to make an R880 Timberland Series Career car I could actually drive without TCS.
If the spirit moves you, I would greatly appreciate a download and an honest review. How does it drive for you? What did I do well? What did I do poorly? What changes would you make? etc …
Car: 2012 Pagani Huayra
Tune Name: turbo sport
Environment & Track: Nürburgring GP Day
Current Best (w/TCS): 02:05.160 (873 of 6749)
Current Best (w/o TCS): 02:07.???
If you’re curious, the tune is named for its Race Twin Turbo and Sport Tires. And for what it’s worth, an identically-tuned car with Stock Twin Turbo and Racing Tires puts up better track times more consistently – especially in traffic. Go figure.
I guess it wasn’t all for naught, though, because somewhere between hours upon hours of driving and all this tuning, I can finally win against Expert Drivatars without assists or racing tires in a powerful RWD car.
Hey, having not driven the huayra yet I thought I would try this for you. I did a 2.03 flat round nurburgring gp with no assists.
The car is a bit of a handful due to the power it has but it’s not undriveable by any means. A couple of things that stood out for me was that the car likes to understeer a lot when you tap the throttle on, try softening the front arb to see if this improves, also found it quite hard to stop so maybe the brake balance needs looking at. I did have a lot of fun driving it.
Would be interested to try another tune of yours for the same car, class and track but built around lower power.
If you want to view the replay to see what I mean about the corner exit I have saved and shared with the title huayra nurb gp. It’s currently the number 1 huayra on the lb.
Well, the fact it understeers is sort of a good thing, because I actually tried to induce a little understeer to combat my tendency to spin it out with TCS off. I guess I went a little overboard with it. I just re-tested my build looking for the understeer. I found it – a lot more than I realized was in it.
I literally struggled to drive 2 seconds slower than you with that build, so I clearly have a lot to learn.
Especially since you definitively bested my time, I really want to watch your replay, but I can’t find it. I went to Rivals for Nurburgring GP Day and searched the list around 2.03 and around 2.00 (in case the other time was posted). I’d swear there are umpteen leaderboards for every track, though, so it’s most likely I’m just looking in the wrong place.
I downloaded your R878 build and definitely like it, but I can’t get anywhere near 2.00. Even worse, I can’t feel the difference between your grip build and mine. (It’s private and more-or-less just the turbo sport build with different parts and some suspension/ARB changes to get rid of the understeer I’d induced in turbo sport.) Since downloaded tunes are locked, I have no clue what you did different for A-B comparison.
All in all, this exercise has raised some concerns for me. If I’m tuning to counteract bad driving tendencies, am I doing more harm than good? Should I learn to race better instead of wasting time trying to tune?
It’s a lot to take in, and now I find myself unsure where to start.
So driving your car got me curious as to what a huayra tuned for grip would be like so I had a go myself. With only mild engine tuning and all the grip I could throw at it I managed a 2.00.426. I will share the tune if you want to try it.
I forgot to ask: why does your tune top out in 6th gear on the track? (I can shift into 7th for only a very brief period at the end of the straights, but it’s not long enough to be meaningful.)
I typically tune so the final gear redlines at the very end of the longest straight, so it seems odd an entire gear has been tuned out of range. Then again, I’ve only ever tuned for Career – in which close gears open up more downshift-and-overtake options.
Hey man. I have just checked and my replay is called huayra nurb gp, if you search for my gt ELITE UCCIO in the forza tv section you should find it. I will also share my lap with my tune so you can see the difference, will call that one huayra nurb gp 2. Bear in mind there are quite a few laps in each replay.
With regards to my tune only using 6 gears, it is because I like to keep my cars easier to drive off the bottom end, the slightly longer gears make the initial throttle application a little less twitchy which tends to result in much better drive off the corner.
More than happy to help you out with any other questions.
In the immediate sense, I’d love if you would ‘open source’ your tune by pasting its numbers here. I’m getting better (I think) at feeling the subtle differences, but since I don’t know what changes created those differences, it’s mostly for naught.
I completely understand this. I found your replays (I wasn’t looking in ForzaTV) and watched them each a few times over. Prior to that, I’ve been watching a lot of rival replays. I’m still surprised at just how little shifting is done in the top times.
I think I still prefer really close ratios for traffic, but I’m experimenting now with different gearing options.
When I next get on I will be happy to open source it for you. I might also have a play with it as there is definitely scope to go under 2 mins with that car. Also if I play with the gearing I may be able to reduce the shifts by a couple per lap.
I don’t know why but I now can’t leave the huayra alone. I do think I have found a way to make your tune much easier to drive though without any setup changes, try going back to stock turbos.
I wanted to build an r900 version to see its try leaderboard potential, I tried with race turbos and it gave the torque curve such a huge spike that it was sideways everywhere. Back to drawing board and I removed the turbos and fitted the race cams instead, pi dropped to 889 but I went 1.5 seconds faster as the drive was now really linear. The tune is shared if you want to try it. Called 889 huayra.
Thanks for getting me addicted to this car, it’s turned out to be a lot of fun.
