Don’t get me wrong, i love career progression in racing games. In a logic sense. Not in a random way.
I wanna earn thoses cars. Save for them. Learn to master them. Because this is a racing game. I don’t want to grind like in a Korean mmo …
There are limits not to be crossed. Random unlock of core content in a non rpg pay to play game. This line has been definetely crossed.
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We’re going in circles.
The question you need to be able to answer before complaining is whether ANY cars are exclusive to prize crates. So far people have uncovered cars that are available elsewhere in the game but I’ve yet to hear of any car that can only be unlocked in a crate.
I’m not saying there won’t be one or two but until this is known to be fact people are complaining about nothing.
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Yes i did, in this post : https://forums.forza.net/turn10_postsm789016_Prize-Crates.aspx#post_789016
1] Core content that is locked behind gambling :
Look at thread (https://forums.forza.net/turn10_postst99201_FM7-Car-List.aspx).
In this thread, look carefully the number of cars that have a triangle at the end of the line.
ALL thoses cars are either locked behind a paywall (DLC) or a gambling system.
If the car is not from a dlc, then, YOU CANNOT BUY THOSES CARS WITH CREDITS IN GAME ANYMORE.
Read carefully the https://forums.forza.net/turn10_postst99201_FM7-Car-List.aspx post
It is written in BRIGHT YELLOW
Here is the statement in a pay to play game, aka a game you already paid for content.
- Unlock a car because of career progression : Ok (And BTW adding possibility to buy it with ingame money)
- Adding a new car to my garage by spending ingame money, and being able to buy as many of the same car i want (because i wanna use different hardware on it) : Mandatory in a Forza.
- Unlock a car because some weird “Specialty manufacturer” will EVENTUALLY propose me to buy a car someday AND for a limited time : Not Ok (that is a freaking free to play feature)
- Unlock a car because of a random loot from crate : Not ok (that is a freaking free to play feature, time consuming, relying on luck and not skill, encouraging microtransactions)
Again, remember we paid for content already. We don’t deserve to grind or consume an excessive amount of time and luck to unlock content.
EDIT : Having cars gifted in crates is another thing. But crates being the only way to unlock them ? It’s a no no baby
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No, you need to read carefully.
An explanation of the symbol from a few lines further down.
▼ = special access cars (Prize Crates, Showcases, Forza Driver’s Cup, Specialty Dealer, Forzathon)
What he said was that these cars cannot be purchased from the garage - in other words, you need to do something else to be able to buy them.
This is getting tiresome.
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Also tiresome…not being able to just purchase the car that’s in the game when you have enough credits to do so😳. I know it’s an outdated concept that’s been in place entirely to long, but it wasn’t broken soooo.
It sounds like the crates are not going to hold cars back from us, at least many believe that, that’s great news, and should be promoted about the world. However all those symbols on all those cars, how many even, must mean there is A LOT of DLC and giveaway cars coming. What may further enrage customers, releasing cars as DLC that we’ve already raced against in the game, ala 2013 Dodge Dart GT, or 2009 Jeep SRT. I can’t buy either of them, they’re not in the car collecting tab, and not for sale in the specialty dealer. However they are participating in races against the A.I. currently🤦♂️ How dare anyone want to just buy some of the cars they are racing against! I’m all for some exclusive cars being hard to obtain, but a Dodge Dart, wth were they thinking😖
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Some of the triangle cars come from the Specialty Dealer. Does that fall under your gambling umbrella?
That fall under
- Unlock a car because some weird “Specialty manufacturer” will EVENTUALLY propose me to buy a car someday AND for a limited time : Not Ok (that is a freaking free to play feature)
I don’t have the game in the english version so i came with my own word. If Specialty Dealer is the right way of saying it. My bad. But this is what i meant.
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Currently not digging them either. Sucks that vehicles are locked behind them with only a random chance of getting the car u want. Very frustrating, and not rewarding after dropping 1mill and getting “rare award” badges that mean absolutely nothing to anyone…
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I have opened and kept track of 75 Lucky Car Crates since launch.
I made note of the quantity of items received, the percent of getting that item, and the cars I received.
Badges:
Legendary – 0 (0.0%)
Super Rare – 2 (2.7%)
Rare – 32 (42.7%)
Uncommon – 26 (34.7%)
Common – 15 (20.0%)
Mods:
Legendary – 0 (0.0%)
Super Rare – 7 (9.3%)
Rare – 40 (53.3%)
Uncommon – 19 (25.3%)
Common – 9 (12.0%)
Driver Gear:
Legendary – 0 (0.0%)
Super Rare – 5 (6.7%) (White Ninja, Tuxedo, Firefighter, Welder, Nurse)
Rare – 26 (34.7%)
Uncommon – 33 (44.0%)
Common – 11 (14.7%)
Cars (Sorted by Value):
Legendary – 2 (2.7%)
2011 Koenigsegg Agera (600,000 CR Sell Value)
1957 Maserati 300 S (375,000 CR Sell Value)
Super Rare – 27 (36.0%)
1939 Mercedes-Benz W154 (250,000 CR Sell Value)
1939 Auto Union Type D (250,000 CR Sell Value)
1990 Ferrari #1 Scuderia Ferrari 641 (235,000 CR Sell Value)
2017 Ford GT (225,000 CR Sell Value)
1993 Jaguar XJ220 (222,500 CR Sell Value)
1992 Ferrari 512 TR (215,000 CR Sell Value)
1992 Ferrari 512 TR (215,000 CR Sell Value)
2017 Chevrolet #2 Team Penske IndyCar (212,500 CR Sell Value)
2017 Chevrolet #2 Team Penske IndyCar (212,500 CR Sell Value)
2017 Chevrolet #4 AJ Foyt Enterprises IndyCar (212,500 CR Sell Value)
2017 Honda #5 Schmidt Peterson Motorsports IndyCar (212,500 CR Sell Value)
1967 Honda RA300 (205,000 CR Sell Value)
2014 Lamborghini #14 GMG Racing LP 570-4 Super Trofeo (200,000 CR Sell Value)
2014 Lamborghini #14 GMG Racing LP 570-4 Super Trofeo (200,000 CR Sell Value)
1969 Lola #10 Simoniz Special T163 (200,000 CR Sell Value)
2011 Mercedes-Benz #35 Black Falcon SLS AMG GT3 (200,000 CR Sell Value)
2011 Mercedes-Benz #35 Black Falcon SLS AMG GT3 (200,000 CR Sell Value)
2014 Mercedes-Benz #84 HTP Motorsport SLS AMG GT3 (200,000 CR Sell Value)
2015 Bentley EXP 10 Speed 6 Concept (192,500 CR Sell Value)
1995 Porsche 911 GT2 (187,500 CR Sell Value)
1967 Lamborghini Miura P400 (180,000 CR Sell Value)
2012 Porsche 911 GT2 RS (155,000 CR Sell Value)
2017 Aston Martin DB11 (150,000 CR Sell Value)
2017 Porsche Panamera Turbo (142,500 CR Sell Value)
2015 Ultima Evolution Coupe 1020 (140,000 CR Sell Value)
2015 BMW i8 (137,500 CR Sell Value)
2014 Maserati Ghibli S (132,500 CR Sell Value)
Rare – 36 (48.0%)
1982 Ferrari #71 Ferrari France 512 BB/LM (125,000 CR Sell Value)
1979 BMW #6 Motorsport M1 Procar (122,500 CR Sell Value)
1962 Ferrari 250 GT Berlinetta Lusso (122,500 CR Sell Value)
2016 Jaguar F-TYPE Project 7 (112,500 CR Sell Value)
2005 Honda NSX-R (112,500 CR Sell Value)
2016 Ariel Nomad (102,500 CR Sell Value)
1960 Aston Martin DB4 GT Zagato (100,000 CR Sell Value)
1979 Datsun #33 Bob Sharp Racing 280ZX Turbo (100,000 CR Sell Value)
2015 Holden #22 Holden Racing Team VF Commodore (100,000 CR Sell Value)
1953 Maserati A6GCS/53 Pininfarina Berlinetta (100,000 CR Sell Value)
2015 Mercedes-Benz #24 Tankpool24 Racing Truck (100,000 CR Sell Value)
2017 Nissan #23 Nissan Motorsport Altima (100,000 CR Sell Value)
1980 Lancia #31 Lancia Corse Beta Montecarlo Turbo (97,500 CR Sell Value)
1980 Lancia #31 Lancia Corse Beta Montecarlo Turbo (97,500 CR Sell Value)
1994 Nissan #75 Cunningham Racing 300ZX (97,500 CR Sell Value)
1991 Mazda #62 Mazda Motorsport RX-7 (95,000 CR Sell Value)
2015 Formula E #23 Venturi 1 (90,000 CR Sell Value)
2015 Formula E #23 Venturi 1 (90,000 CR Sell Value)
2017 Formula E #33 Techeetah Z.E. 16 (90,000 CR Sell Value)
1975 Lancia Stratos HF Group 4 (90,000 CR Sell Value)
2017 Chevrolet #24 Hendrick Motorsports NAPA Super Sport (87,500 CR Sell Value)
2017 Ford #22 Team Penske Duralast GT Fusion (87,500 CR Sell Value)
2015 Audi RS 6 Avant (75,000 CR Sell Value)
2015 Audi RS 6 Avant (75,000 CR Sell Value)
2016 BMW M4 GTS (75,000 CR Sell Value)
2016 Subaru #199 WRX STI VT15r Rally Car (75,000 CR Sell Value)
2012 BMW M5 (70,000 CR Sell Value)
2013 Caterham Superlight R500 (67,500 CR Sell Value)
2017 Chevrolet Comaro ZL1 (65,000 CR Sell Value)
2009 Lotus 2-Eleven (65,000 CR Sell Value)
2017 Jaguar F-Pace S (62,500 CR Sell Value)
2012 Chevrolet Comaro ZL1 (60,000 CR Sell Value)
2011 Lotus Evora S (60,000 CR Sell Value)
1970 Alfa Romeo Montreal (57,500 CR Sell Value)
2003 BMW M5 (55,000 CR Sell Value)
2003 Audi RS 6 (52,500 CR Sell Value)
Uncommon – 10 (13.3%)
1961 Jaguar E-Type (48,500 CR Sell Value)
2016 Cadillac ATS-V (48,000 CR Sell Value)
2015 Jaguar XE-S (47,500 CR Sell Value)
2015 Jaguar XE-S (47,500 CR Sell Value)
1982 Porsche 911 Turbo 3.3 (46,000 CR Sell Value)
1990 Vauxhall Lotus Carlton (40,000 CR Sell Value)
1990 Vauxhall Lotus Carlton (40,000 CR Sell Value)
2009 Mercedes-Benz ML 63 AMG (36,500 CR Sell Value)
1970 Chevrolet Comaro Z28 (32,500 CR Sell Value)
1970 Chevrolet Comaro Z28 (32,500 CR Sell Value)
Common – 0 (0%)
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It doesn’t give the ability to buy. It gives you, one exemplary of the said car. That’s all (Remember the Ford Crown Victoria ?)
- Unlock/buy a car because some weird “Specialty manufacturer” will EVENTUALLY propose me to buy a car someday AND for a limited time : Not Ok (that is a freaking free to play feature)
- Unlock/buy a car because of a random loot from crate : Not ok (that is a freaking free to play feature, time consuming, relying on luck and not skill, encouraging microtransactions)
Thoses mecanics still exists in a game we bought, and appliyed to CORE content, not only cosmetics. Even though they are free to play mecanics, involving having to play at the right time 
This does not fit a non rpg buy to play game. Especially a racing one.
In Forza we always have been able to buy our cars, and buy as many of them we want.
This new Forza, does restrict buying cars, moreover, limit some cars to have only one per account. Where is our freedom to customize cars for our private lobbies with friends ?
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Sometimes you have to recognize that explaining isn’t making it any better.
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I am sorry, english is not my native language.
what does that really means please ?
Sorry, dog had to go out for a pee so a few other posts popped up before I finished.
This was in reply to #100
It seems that you’re being obtuse.
Crates are unveiling cars that can be acquired by other means. There is no evidence yet that any car is exclusive to crates. Even if they are it’s simply a case of buying crates later in the game when you’ve millions of credits and nothing left to buy.
The speciality dealer rotates 3 or 4 cars for a lengthy period giving everyone ample opportunity to buy the cars if they wish (with CR). This dealer is no different to the normal garage other than the stock rotates.
Forzathons haven’t even started yet.
The game is only a week old. In another few weeks we’ll all be ankle deep in cars.
Micro transactions aren’t available and yet some people are already heading towards 700 cars.
You’re looking for a scandal where there isn’t one and the reasons for being so affronted are wearing thin.
Finally, as was discussed, promoted and advertised prior to launch, collecting cars is a much larger element of this game than in the past. The difference with 7 over older titles is that you WILL be able to get every car, unlike the Unicorns of the past. It’s a simple concept, as you work your way through the game you’ll build your collection. Quite why this is such an issue I’ll never know.
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I am note Obtuse, i don’t want free to play grinding and time consuming mecanics to poison my bought game experience. Because i want my game to be worth the money i paid for.
The fact that i can’t buy the car i want, when i have ingame credits, WHENEVER i want is a freaking free to play mecanics.
The fact that the stock rotate, yes, is an issue, because it’s not like they are “special version” with different livery of the same car we can bought in the regular dealership. It’s EXCLUSIVE.
Can you prove that they are not any cars locked under any of thoses mecanics ? If yes, i would love to be wrong. Because if i can unlock cars only using career progression, that’s a gem. But nothing explains what REALLY unlock the car. We got this weird popup info listing all mecanincs that “maybe could” unlock them.
What the car list post prove though, is that they did told that thoses special cars ▼ are not buyable. Thoses mecanics will give you ONE exemplary. This is counter productive in a Forza game.
Don’t forget what mecanics made people love Forza. Hability to have a large choice of cars. Being able to customize at will. Being able to have multiple time the same car. Being able to buy cars whenever they want (as long as they have in game credits).
This game does not have that for all cars, which is what everyone expected when it comes to buy Forza.
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Forgive me, I can’t reply because I have my head in a gas oven.
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I went for the freezer😂
Whilst I quite like the prize crates I can’t recommend buying the lucky car crate. The one which costs 300,000 credits and says the chance of getting a legendary car. I’ve bought three of them now and not one of them has given me anything legendary. Heck, the three cars I have gotten from them have only been Rare. No legendary anything else either. Waste of credits.
The other thing I’ve noticed is that this specific crate also seems to be tied to online. Last night I tried to open one and it said unable to open please try again later. I now think they’re untrustworthy which is a pain because that one that seems to be tied to something online is the only one that offers the ‘chance’ of a legendary car.
Which actually brings me to a question. Are we actually able to obtain these locked legendary cars by just playing the like it says by playing the drivers cup? As opposed to the chance of winning one through the online tied prize crates, forzathon, or specialty dealer?
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My luck isn’t good enough to even consider using them, so I’m not even acknowledging them in game.
Somebody wrote on here that they’ve opened loads of them, they gave a rundown of what they’d got and it really wasn’t great tbh.
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No the cost to reward ratio is much lower than any casino in the world…
19 Lucky Car Crates
1 Uncommon
12 Rare
5 Super Rare
1 Legendary (the Zenvo)
Cars