I disagree on it being terrible, I do respect it though if you’ve created a better. It’s fast (although might not be the fastest), while still being a good all around balance in the rest of its stats & races. It pulls hard as soon as it starts. The Shaker’s time compared to the time of your BMW & using my BMW is a wide difference in sprint. That number is wild.
I haven’t done timed tracks or Rivals though. I so far just test them at the Festival Drag Strip & in races. I mainly want good launch & acceleration overall with these two Class A cars.
All I can say is that so far, I’m no longer frustrated since I tuned that car with good acceleration, good launch & balance in the rest. More podiums incoming
On a side note I tuned a 959 Porsche for dirt races S2 & that thing had way too much HP than I could handle. Over 1400 I was crashing & spinning every lmao, had to knock it down to the 1200s. It was a beast in Freeroam but it was eveywhere in axtual races. I either was top 3 or bottom 3 in the few champsionships I did. I won one entire championship with it but man I had to be stupidly cautious & coddle the throttle, even then it was scary & made everything so close. I suppose there is a such thing as too much
Edit: I will def check out your Audi too, sounds great! Thanks for tip & share.
Good if that works for you but i wouldnt say that bone shaker killer when it’s not even close bone shaker times.
And while it’s good to have good accelaration it shouldnt never be main point building car (outside of drag tunes), even if you have best accelaration car it dont mean nothing if you lose lots of time in corners. And those M5 and 300SL they dont even accelerate any faster than top a-class cars do, daytona even accelerate mutch faster while still getting decent handling. I just made that same 300SL with less power and heavier and even without right fine tuning i was still faster around track because my car take’s corners faster. (yet still this thing is damn slow)
It might be personal taste, but it seemed to understeer horrifically, the car just doesn’t want to turn (your M-B tune). If that’s your personal preference it must be rare as I’ve never downloaded such an understeer biased tune from anyone else.
I’ve put a video up of my drives with the RS4 for rivals and Lakehurst Forest Sprint:
Yeah understeer doesn’t bother me that much at this point. I got the hang of it the most part, it’s just mainly you have to be more “on it”. There’s only one car that I can’t handle the understeer & that’s the Mitsubishi GTO. Seems to be great in everything for S1 besides that knockback.
Of course i wouldnt want understeer, but on most cars it no longer bothers. I just have to be more cautious & attentive.
I jist got my first Boneshaker today about two hours agp from the Plauground event. My M5 is faster than the highest HP A Class Bone Shaker tune that i saw & downloaded by 4/5 seconds in the Festival Drag Strip. The Bone Shaker hits it about 130/131mph while my M5 hits it at 134/135mph. Heres a video:
As you can see, both the M5 & None starting their wheel at the line, my M5 pulls harder & hits the trap faster. I did it about 5 time each & my M5 would hit either 134 or 135 on the trap while the Bone hits it at either 130 & 131, with that downloaded tune. That’s a significant difference of MPH with my time & that user’s tune.
If you look at the video I posted earlier in this thread, you can see when the road is straight that my M5 pulls past just about everyone easily. There’s no skill in straight lines, besides who can pull & climb the fastest. I do usually lose a bit of lead with a Bone Shaker when it comes to turns like how you mentioned, but as long as I don’t crash or do a unnecessary drift it’s not a big to where it’s impossible to catch up pretty fine. Same with Daytonas, as you mentioned. Although Daytona can keep up with me more in terms of pure speed.
Handling is not that big of a deal when it come to Class A as long as you have the speed to make up for it & as long as you don’t screw a turn up. Speed & patience.
Now that I’ve spent some time with the Shaker myself, it’s not taste than my M5 in terms of Acceleration, HP or Top Speed, but it does have my M5 beaten in grip & handling. The Bone Shaker has amazing brake & turn speed compared to other Class A’s, but you should be able to keep up with as long as you do well with turns your self & have the speed to match. If I screw up in a race against a skillful player, I have more of a chance to lose, if i hit all or almost everything correctly against a skillful player, then I have a chance of winning. Thats what these races in my M5 come down too, & why it’s a “destroyer” since it can actually have the chance to win now.
I’m going to do my own tune with the Bone Shaker as well & see if I can create a tune even better than the one I downloaded. And I do appreciate yours & others shared tips & experience in this thread too.
It’s possible to tune all the understeer out of the Boneshaker. It won’t turn in as well as the glorious NSX 05 or some of the great A class high speed handling cars, but outside of Colossus it should demolish pretty much anything.
I already knew the Boneshaker was OP in the wet but I only recently did some actual hard testing. In Lakehurst forest sprint with the heaviest rain setting and stock tires, the Boneshaker only loses 1s in time which is absolutely incredible (3.15 to 3.16). Race-tire equipped cars generally lose 1.5- 2s and then most other cars are 2-4s behind their dry times. Rear grip is incredibly important for heavy rain because we all tune 4WD cars for oversteer, and we want to keep that controllable in the rain.
Also from discord I found this response in relation to a discussion on the Boneshaker.
Do you try to tell that only thing that matter in a-class is top speed and acceleration? How can bone shaker then dominates every a-class leaderboard where you can use bone shaker? In fortune island rivals weswick festival circuit in top50 there is 48 bone shakers, in elmsdon on sea sprint 34 bone shakers in top 50.
Or how there is allready 3 different people to test out your tunes and we all have been slower your tunes than with cars like daytona or bone shaker (and bunch of different cars as well). Handling is important part even in a-class, last time i drive in tracks there was still corners out there so acceleration and top speed are so relevant if you cant carry enough speed thruw to corners.
I can say that Rayne se and breeminator are skillfull drivers, so i challenge you to testing what time you can set lakehurst forest sprint to test out how you and your tunes do against skillfull drivers. And i recomended really to read what rayne say abaout your tunes in previous page.
@NightDriver7800 Bone shaker is good car in a-class even without aero.
Yeah since I wrote that I’ve been using it exclusively in A class, even for cross country (except winter). I just use a tune with rally tyres for everything.
These forums should be the primary place for info (thanks Max!), but no. We also need to check out Facebook, Twitter and now Discord.
I personally found Discord to be the single worst online experience I have seen in my over 25 years of being online. I gave it a good try and found it to be totally intollerable (ie, being run by either Valley Girls or 8 year olds). It is not organized well and I found it totally unintuitive to use. Then because of the ridiculous, immature emails I was receiving from them, despite have my settings set to do not notify or whatever, I spent longer trying to figure out how to delete my account than I ever spent at Discord… and I still got several more of these terrible emails essentially pleading with me to stay and letting me know that my account would be around for another 2 weeks…
Really devs, you have time to visit that site where things are not easily found, to make comments about the game, but do not have the time to do so on this forum, where things are very organized, well run, easy to use, and have been for the 8 years or so I have been here.
If in the future, the only place I can find out timely info about Forza is from Discord, then my time with Forza is over. Really, Discord is much more annoying to me than the mess that online multiplayer is in FH4.
I will club both tunes over my test track when I’m home frome work. I’ll post theirs times in comparison to some other A-class cars (top cars, cars with similiar behaviour and cars which are in the range of your tunes). I’ve tested over 100 A-class cars&builds on this track so you’ll get a good picture where they are performance-wise.
I’ve run both around my track and they achieved as best lap:
1988 BMW M5: 6:49.713
1954 Mercedes Benz SL300: 6:47.924
With those lap times they are on lower end of the A-class like the Charger Hellcat (6:49.946), Mercedes Benz C63S (6:48.103) or Porsche Cayman GTS (6:48.219). The fastest cars run laps in the range of 6:34 to 6:38.
With some adjustments both of your tunes could definitely do better. A few reasons why they don’t work that well:
The suspension is too soft, especially on the M5. Thus, they suffer from too much body-roll. Under heavy braking the M5 completely rolls over the corner-outside front wheel which unsettles the whole car.
The gears are not adjusted given they didn’t even reach the redline in 5th (6th is never needed). They lose a lot of punch through this.
They are too understeery and probably need one higher tire tier.
You upgraded the camshaft on both cars which is an engine upgrade you normally want to avoid because it costs too much PI points for its use.
I built both Pontiacs ('73 and '77) and the '77 is exactly as expected. It ran a 6:37.322 which is 0.8 seconds off the Bone Shaker. The '73 must have the most overpowered stats I have ever seen on A-class but once on the tarmac it feels like they are completely gone. It ran a 6:36.901 which is completely balanced but from looking at the stats it should be ~10 seconds faster - at least. I can only imagine that it has the highest drag coefficient in the whole game which slows it down this much.
My Mustang is right there with a 6:36.869.
breeminator gave me the mission to build the Vauxhall Insigia VXR and it turned out to be a monster on A: 6:32.373 which sets it on #1 by 0.5 seconds.
After that I took it to Lakehurst Sprint to confirm that my track works from a balance perspective and the Insignia is indeed a rocket on A:
Edited a typo because I looked at the wrong lap time. Nonetheless the Insignia is extremely awesome.
Discord has rapidly evolved into the place to get information or “status quo” statements on various topics. Aside from stuff Max posts here the forums have become rather useless.
Discord is the worst online experience you’ve had? You must be trolling right? No offence but if you had a hard time understanding how to use Discord then I don’t know what to say. It is well organised and I personally like the way e-mails and such are written, sometimes it’s funny. I’ve never had to deal with 8 year olds or what not, I don’t know how you ended up there even by mistake.
It’s the easiest thing to use to create servers to keep in touch with friends you game with.
Also to top it off, you said that things in this forum are organised, well run and easy to use… LOL at this point I can’t take you even seriously anymore.
And how exactly is your fun playing the game related with which social media they choose to share info about updates on?
Valve, Epic Games, Respawn, etc… all share their game updates on Reddit and actual EASY to use websites. Twitter is also a good platform to be updated nowadays.
My test track is called “Forest Run” and starts at the “Astmoore” road circuit (don’t know the exact English name, playing with German language). It was originally intended to be a test track for S1. While it delivers even more balanced times on S1 and S2 it still works for A-class. All of my fastest A-cars (so far) are ones which are fast everywhere else. Only specific cars like the Elise '05 or Clio FE which are beasts on handling tracks aren’t performing well on my track.
I’ve not made any of my complete lists public. I’ve posted my top 10 from time to time.
Would be quite some work but I could digitalize my S2 and S1 lists because they are finished (all S2 and S1 cars are tested). A-class is still in the making because the amount of cars is incredibly high and the fastest build isn’t always immediatly obvious.
With lap times in the 5-6 minutes range it takes time and yesterday one of my “shift pedal” contacts on my Elite Controller broke so I have to stop testing until I get that fixed. I could downshift with “X” but it would hurt consistency and thus testing accuracy.
Thanks. Took quite some time to get all the braking and turning points into the muscle memory Nowadays I start the first lap to see which gear is needed in which turn, evaluate braking distances and try to get a feeling for the throttle control if needed. Then, I run two fast laps, note down the faster one and if they’re separated more than 1.5 seconds I run the 3 laps again and compare. But since I’ve driven this track hundreds of times most fast laps for a certain car are within 1 second. Which provides enough accuracy for a ~6 minutes lap to rate the car.
I dont doubt abaout that, i need to use rewind few times when totally mess up corner when evalute totally wrong how fast can go some corners.
I really admire how consistent you can drive, i wouldnt trust my times in two laps even at short circuits, i run at least 5 laps before can valuate how car perfomance against others, and tracks like goliath i cant be consist enough (at least S2 and x-class cars i cant) But i will definetly run that your track few times more later.
@breeminator i just share that, no aero one is bit faster in that track, version with aero i run 3,18,5
Nowadays I start the first lap to see which gear is needed in which turn, evaluate braking distances and try to get a feeling for the throttle control if needed. Then, I run two fast laps, note down the faster one and if they’re separated more than 1.5 seconds I run the 3 laps again and compare. But since I’ve driven this track hundreds of times most fast laps for a certain car are within 1 second. Which provides enough accuracy for a ~6 minutes lap to rate the car.