Online Championships is Deeply Flawed (Win championship as a DNF in every race)

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I’ve seen this mentioned in some threads and want to raise this as something that must be fixed.

I decided to try winning a championship by improving my skill chain scores. Sure enough I won three championships easily, however, I did not finish a single race! I can only imagine the frustration of the other drivers. It wasn’t even fun and was somewhat challenging especially with collisions off because I had to maintain skill chains purely with drifting.

Ultimately though I don’t think I deserved to win a championship without finishing a race by simply staying behind everyone and drifting and/or hitting things to build massive skill chains.

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I dont get frustrated.

Reason is winning races and racing clean can win championships.

But crossing the line first is my goal. Some silly screen after 4 races does not add or take away from my enjoyment. If i won 4 races, i won 4 races.

Edit: There is a quote by JonK that explains their logic. I will try to find it.

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I see the wisdom in making XP a factor in championships - it encourages clean racing and keeps the transit between races interesting and competitive. Unfortunately the system seems way out of balance. I think it would help a lot if they bumped up the XP bonuses for people that place on the podium.

And I agree, I race to win. XP (and therefore winning the “championship”) is a secondary concern.

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Seen it. Agreed it is a problem. When I kept seeing it I just lost interest in playing

I don’t mind coming in first and losing to a guy that actually tried to win but got more XP along the way, thats what makes it fun, but when a someone has a 928 rated car and finishes last and wins S2 thats a major wtf moment. You just gotta laugh

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I don’t really consider XP-based adventures to be deciders of racing talent. It’s been stated that being first is not the only way to win, therefore it shouldn’t be considered end-all-be-all when somebody wins by completing clean laps.

It’s possible, in fact, entirely encouraged to win a race by both driving clean and driving well. If you are avoiding the walls, traffic, and other players, you can keep a skill chain going in the same manner of somebody who is in the back just drifting.

Is it unbalanced? I don’t know, should you be able to win a XP-based adventure by grinding XP in the back of every pack? The answer to that is the answer to the question, and unfortunately the answer is debatable.

You see, the big thing for coming in first in these races is not the credits, but the XP. This isn’t your typical championship where place decides who wins, its the amount of XP gained. So that alone should pull you away from considering it your traditional championship.

Fortunately, this is what the alternatives exist for. Co-op campaign is my first choice when I want to just drive the hay out of whatever order of races I want to.

Like it has been said above, winning a championship doesn’t mean your average finishing position is on the podium. And alternatively if you aren’t racing an overpowered, messy V12 AWD swap build, you can still win the event by driving with finesse.

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Well said statement. Lately I have not seen too many drivers staying in the back and drifting. I drive to win races, and I drive clean. I amass plenty of XP doing this. The only real problem I see are those who wall ride and crash their way to the front with the I must win at any cost. Those are the ones who win 3 out of 4 races but end up #10 in the XP championship because they have no XP.

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fact is that the multiplayer lobbies are quite empty for such a successful game, especially if you search for “only race” online adventures.

i can find more players on forza horizon 1 on xbox 360…

some people seem to love this xp-championship feature, but for me and the majority ist just frustrating and no fun and this ends up with empty online races.

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In other words, if you care about winning, focus on individual races.

The “Championship” is there for if you want to focus on things other than being the fastest.

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I still think it’s the wrong way to go and unbalanced. I used a Subaru drift car in a championship last night because of the Forzathon. It was an awful build for racing and I finished last or near the back in every race because my car was WAY slower than any of the others and I won the championship easily. Why can we not have championships that are A: Based on something other than XP, and B: Longer than 4 events?

-k

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Would have helped getting the 45k xp bonus from completing the forzathon event as well
That would have been included to the final standings as well
I did the same
Came last in 3 of the 4 events…only did 3 but finished 2nd due to that xp bonus

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Why cant the racers be happy to cross the line first?

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I agree I am normally a race to win but in all seriousness the prize for winning is not all that much and if it is money your after the onliine adventures are not the way to go

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I’ve won multiple online championships by just racing clean and winning. The problem I normally have is clean racing is almost impossible when in the beginning because racers tend to ram my car from behind instead of properly braking thus ruining my chain. I like winning races, the championship is the icing. I do find it frustrating the few chances I lose due to stunt driving the entire time when the person has never finished a race.

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I agree with the OP 100%. Had the same thing happen last night. A few of us battled hard for 4 races, only to have someone who finished at the back every race, win the championship.

With that said, I kind of understand the reasoning. If you want to “Race”. They’d like to sell you FM6. FH3 is what it is…

I would like to see an actual “Race” championship added to FH3. My guess is that the original XP championship lobbies would be empty, if they did that.

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If I was just happy coming in first for each race I wouldn’t be driving clean… and doesn’t make me a good driver. if someone came in first all the time and lost the championship they’d look like a bad driver to me because they sacrificed skill chains to get there obviously.

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What? I race to win. And i race clean.

The xp for clean racing has doubled since FH2.

No need to sacrifice clean racing in order to win.

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I’m really enjoying this thread. Lots of great opinions and feedback. Thank you all for participating.

SlengTing is right. The online racing isn’t very active and I suspect the enjoyment factor is low for a number of reasons.

For me, I too want to win races by racing clean with a group of racers motivated the same way, then be rewarded properly for clean fast racing. I love the intent of Turn 10, I think they failed in the execution. That is why I think it’s flawed. I truly doubt the developers intended to allow someone to DNF four races and win a championship. I hope it’s changed.

I’ve mentioned in a few threads here, my greatest joy in Forza titles has been when I’m lucky enough to be racing a group at a similar skill level who are all racing clean. I wish the AI with the drivatars could achieve that result but as noted in many threads, the AI needs improvement.

Cheers

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[Mod Edit - thread merged - MM]
I will say here what I think of Forza Horizon 3 and I feel that is a very important information and I have not seen people talking about this issue I will talk about. I am 35 years old and racing is my primary genre since teenager.

In short, Forza Horizon 3 succeeded in many areas. The quantity of cars and how they were selected is simply amazing, the best in history of racing games. The radio channels are also amazing, the staff working in this surely are very good in what they do, also the best in history. The coop mode is also very useful, something not seen yet in racing games. The size and quality of the map is also good. DLCs are very well done, mixing well all sort of cars and the expansions are great, giving opportunities of having different experiences. Now comes the bad part, one gigantic flaw in the game, that is the online multiplayer. This is the object of this post.

As I told, in many ways Forza Horizon 3 is different from other games, but when it comes to the online multiplayer this is in a bad way. Going back in history when Forza Horizon 1 was released it was a big hit in racing games history, it tried to mix simulation and arcade styles of racing games, and it did it, absolutely flawlessly. The physics of the game was incredible, a perfect balance. The online races model is still the best, a track is displayed and the players tries to use a car the matches that track requirements. That game was a huge success, all my friends liked. I really do not know why Turn10 changed the concept of a game that was already perfect instead of just improving by its base.

The key problem is the online multiplayer, and I will exemplify: Days ago I played the 4 races of the online championship, I won 2 of then and was second in the other 2. Another guy won the other 2 and was also second in 2. Neither of us won the championship, the guy that won was forth or worst position in all the races, he won because of skills like drift. The game in based in XP not in arriving position. This problem is like a giant bomb. I don’t know why Turn10 did that way. I feel intrigued. I have about 20 friends who play Forza Horizon 3, none of them prefer the current model. In fact none of them like the model. Many even hate this model and don’t go online.

This problem is big, should not be undermined. There could be this current model but with also an mode similar to those of Forza Horizon 1. The staff of Microsoft and Turn10 are probably thinking FH3 is a great game and that most people like it. This is not true, this is far for being true. I and my friends are always looking for other racing games, that can substitute FH3. The last years have been terrible to racing games, nothing good came. And the luck of Microsoft and Turn10 are that no good games were released and this may cause a false impression that FH3 is a success. I and many friends like open world games, being arcade, simulation or a mix, but we like to race. It is not a exaggeration to say Forza Horizon 3 don’t have online races. XP is not race. One big flaw can ruin a game, certainly.

I bought the game in December. That month and in mid January I finished the carrier mode and after this I went to play online and I was absolutely shocked. I stopped playing the game and came back one week ago because one of my friends bought Xbox One and the game. So I came back to help him. But I have no well to play, I want a race game, not this. If I could get 50% refund I would do so. I have the most extreme reaction to this game among my friends, to the point of not playing anymore, but in lesser degrees all my friends fell that way.

What would be a good thing would be a remaster or remake of Forza Horizon 1, this would empty Forza Horizon 3 very quickly. Not only I have this opinion, I hear that everyday. It would be a very big hit again. Forza Horizon 1 is the best racing gaming in history. FH3 surely is not even in the top10 list. Think again Microsoft and Turn10, it is time to change direction. I will not buy Forza Horizon 4 if it is the same way of FH2 or FH3. I want a race game, not the garbage you are doing. Keep an eye that other racing games may be released in future and it is not that difficult as you may guess to completely change the scenario. As I said Forza Horizon 3 have many qualities, It would not be difficult to Turn10 to add a an online mode exactly like Forza Horizon 1, and it would have an astounding good impact, and increase the live of the game. Don’t neglect this, it can be a fatal mistake.

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Correct, so don’t let what someone got for their XP bother you.

Reasoning:

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