Off roading physics Suck! Have you guys ever been off road? Been off roading in the range rover svr with snow tyres and it’s struggling. Sort it out please boys! Irritating
Try the New Nissan… loads of low down grunt works a treat in deep snow…
Literally nothing is out of place here.
The Range Rover SVR is not exactly designed for this type of environment regardless of it being a AWD (key term ahead) road-performance SUV. It makes sense that it’s struggling. Either build it to have more torque and shorter gears (how I think one would go about it) or try something that’s out-of-the-box great in this playground.
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Actually, it is. Have you ever driven a range rover? When I went to Ashville, NC, I drove one off-road. 550HP. Automatic sensing of terrain, completely dynamic suspension that changes with terrain. It’s probably the best off-road range of vehicles ever made, even with street rubber.
The BMW mentioned above can barely climb a mild grassy knoll. Not even in the same league.
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No, and you missed my point by a country mile.
I’m fully aware of Range Rovers and their offroad capability. The SVR was built with road performance in mind, going for better cornering grip and stopping power on top of a super-charged V8 and generally being a performance SUV. It’s not a rock crawler or dune buggy by any means. In Forza it needs to not be stock in order to handle Blizzard mountain, which is perfectly acceptable, as most vehicles would not be.
Come to me saying you can’t get it to stick without improving it into something perfect for handling that terrain, then we’ll have a serious conversation.
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And by the way, simply saying “I drove it, I also drove jeeps” does not help, as anyone can claim they have, and that’s also just an opinion based on a potentially limited perspective. I’m sorry if this violates your automotive superiority, but Jeeps tend to have a shorter wheelbase, lighter weight and higher ground clearance (especially if your comparison is the SVR) and just might be better suited to driving on oatmeal cookie terrain.
This completely depends on the Jeep you’re talking about. The older models, yes. The newer models, meh. If you haven’t noticed, Chrysler has rather sucked for the past 10 years. Show me any “Jeep” (which includes a huge line of models), that doesn’t have build quality issues rear their ugly heads after the first year, and I’ll be surprised. The Cherokee and Renegade along have huge problems with the transmissions in them. And it isn’t limited to Chrysler’s Jeeps. The Dodge Challenger had foam injected into the quarter panels, and they did such a sloppy job of it the Foam clogged the drainage holes. So after 2 years you have a Challenger that is rusting from the inside out and you can hear the collected rain-water sloshing over every bump and turn.
If you are talking about something like the CJ, well, that’s in a completely different class and is not comparable. The Jeeps of yore made their name in WWII, and they continued to be good vehicles for quite a while after that (decades). But anyone who believes any incarnation of the Jeep made in the last 10 years is worth a damn is fooling themselves. Just sayin’
As to the “Delicate Sensors”. Newsflash, Electronics in cars are designed to withstand harsh conditions, unlike a cell phone or a laptop, they can take the abuse because they are designed to do so. Sure, O2 sensors need to be replaced now and again in EVERY car., but things like ECU’s are still alive and kicking in cars for the last 20 years. I’m sorry. I can’t help it that a Range Rover can tell you how deep the water you are driving through is or how steep a grade is and vector torque to the appropriate wheels for maximum traction (same technology used in Cell Phones, btw. When was the last time your cellphone failed in that respect?). (Many of the Range Rovers are rated to over 3 feet in depth with no issues). And that same vehicle can get on a highway and blow away any jeep at speed, launch, and acceleration.
Don’t get me wrong, I purposely bought my car WITHOUT navigation. Why? Because A: The updates are expensive as hell and free on my Google Pixel phone (which is awesome btw). B: The screens can delaminate, and the processors used are the bare minimum which means slow response times, and the programming is in its infancy still because many car manufacturers have yet to figure out that it’s a wise idea to have closer relationships with the software and hardware vendors, but even that is beginning to change. The last reason why I didn’t pay for Navigation? It ruined the retro interior on my car. It didn’t fit aesthetically. so I didn’t want it.
I’ll be the first to admit the Wrangler Unlimited is a fantastic looking vehicle, and I’ve never driven one, so I can’t comment on its on-road and off-road performance.
This completely depends on the Jeep you’re talking about. The older models, yes. The newer models, meh. If you haven’t noticed, Chrysler has rather sucked for the past 10 years. Show me any “Jeep” (which includes a huge line of models), that doesn’t have build quality issues rear their ugly heads after the first year, and I’ll be surprised. The Cherokee and Renegade along have huge problems with the transmissions in them.
If you are talking about something like the CJ, well, that’s in a completely different class and is not comparable. The Jeeps of yore made their name in WWII, and they continued to be good vehicles for quite a while after that (decades). But anyone who believes any incarnation of the Jeep made in the last 10 years is worth a damn is fooling themselves. Just sayin’
As for ground clearance. Once again, it’s adjustable in the Range Rovers (on the fly). As opposed to needing a lift kit (or buying one that’s lifted already) and serious garage time for a Chrysler product.
What you’re missing is that a Range Rover can do daily driver tasks with no issues, and become an offroad marvel at the press of a button. Show me a “Jeep” that can do that.
…wow
“This completely depends on the Jeep you’re talking about.”
I wouldn’t put too many eggs in that basket as that’s not what this was about. With that logic you could give yourself the best case scenario no matter what if you decide to compare the SVR to possibly the worst jeep imaginable. Remember that you responded to a guy claiming he built a better jeep, not saying every Jeep is better, which would probably imply off the bat that he’s not talking about the bottom in terms of quality.
“You can adjust the suspension at the lift of a button”.
Okay, cool, not exactly awe-inspiring and doesn’t make the wheelbase any shorter - and still generally means nothing if it can’t go higher than with most Jeeps (which are still higher in general regardless). You can quit the measuring contest with the jeep on electronic features because that’s not even what is being talked about here, if your point is that the RR is more advanced, you’ve won, nobody was disagreeing with you on that. If you are arguing that it’s the better vehicle for offroading, no, it’s not cut and dry because you went somewhere and watched somebody give a speech about how awesome the SVR is. Pointing out cool electronic features a guy showed you on a showroom floor will not help you here. Shorter wheelbase + higher ride height generally gives you more pull in this conversation regardless of how much your RR uses technology, and that isn’t counting the crazy mods people are doing to their cars in Forza (or plain and simply the fact that the ability to use those amazing features are simply not there in the game making the point almost moot to begin with given the thread topic).
I’m not even the guy that brought Jeeps into the conversation (why you chose to bring this up with me in particular is a bit odd) but I’ll still tell you the obvious: The SVR is heavier, longer, and possibly lower depending on what you compare it to.
If your looking for an SUV for the races try the “stock” BMW X6M
Perhaps in real life… but have you tried them in various events in Blizzard Mountain especially with the “trick bits” turned off…
My jeeps can do anything a range rover does better, cheaper, and without all that gadgetry ha.
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I’ve driven various jeeps as well, including a couple of rock climbers. The Range Rover wins hands down (except in the rock climbing department).
Drive one, you’ll be amazed at what it can do even on stock rubber.
Off-roading in snow is SO different from any other surface that I feel it’s safe to say that we really can’t tell which vehicle in FH3 should be the best to handle a specific type of snow. Using regular off-road vehicle logic might be pointless - just try them all and decide which one works best for you and your driving style!
Deep snow driving is mostly about keeping the momentum and careful throttle control. Tires shouldn’t matter much, as even studded tires really have nothing to grab hold of.
You couldn’t give one to me if you paid me to own it. As I said too many electronics. Too expensive to fix. Too much headache. Sorry no sale.
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Until one of those delicate sensors starts playing up and all the electickery goes awry… Agreed when it’s working it’s amazing…
I have had and driven and competed off road in various generations of LR products and other makes …
In the middle of now where I know which I prefer being in… and which I prefer spannering on in the pits… rather than having to get the smartbook out etc…
In the base map I was of the opinion that off road driving isn’t as good or fun as it could be, but man in this snow it really works well
I had the most fun driving in a stock BMW M3 E36 just slow drifing all the way really didn’t expect to have this much fun without snow tires
ACE Fault, ABS/Traction Control Fault, Air Suspension Fault… Had them and many more… I now carry a Hawkeye in the vehicle at all times…