And I’m going to double post here because I feel like it The OP asked for advice with his wheel on forza which he recieved, then a bunch of project cars ambassadors came in and turned this from a helpful post into whatever it is you think your accomplishing. Is it so hard to believe people enjoy playing forza with a wheel???
Lol suit yourself. It is a fact T10 did a very bad job with wheel support. Look around threads about whishlists, they all talk about it, hoping T10 will finally get it right.
Is it so hard now to believe that many people DON’T enjoy playing with the wheel?
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The wheel support for fanatec is fantastic the way they tailored the FFB for the rest of the wheels is what’s atrocious there’s no denying that the wheel feel in pcars or corsa is better after an hour my wheel base is actually hot I don’t think that’s ever happened on forza. But I still prefer the tracks and cars on forza if I had a decent PC all I’d play is assetto corsa but until there a few more tracks and abit more versatility in upgrades and such on console I’ll be sticking with forza.
Hahahahahah it doesn’t stop anyone I know from using it you mustn’t be very good?
Sorry that’s abit harsh I know that wreck the leaderboards with a controller but couldn’t use a wheel to save their life
Firstly, I find it very hard to believe that you own project cars as you have not recieved a single achievement in it.
I complain on the forza forums because its a forza issue. I played forza for many years and im still interested in the franchise but until they make improvements I am not going to give them my money. I also never said that forza is not worth owning. I did however state that the wheel is better off used elsewhere and stick to the pad and made suggestions of games that actually support the op’s wheel properly.
I never said i prefer pcars, just that pcars has proper wheel support. Not sure what you are aluding to in the second sentance, pad can be used in both pcars and AC too and the playing fields are much more level. between the peripherals. But im not here to compare the two games, except for the fact that Forza’s wheel support and FFB is the absolute worst on the market.
The second part of that makes no sense either. Sure those with better equipment may get slightly more enjoyment and better detail but that is similar to the elite controller so MS should just cancel the regular controller and the off brands should stop making replacements. Makes no sense. The controller still works the same its just not as good. If you go to a game with proper wheel support all the wheels will feel similar only with varying degrees of strength and detail, but their function is the same. On top of that, the other peripherals you names wouldn’t even be supported by forza anyways. LUL
Im not a pcars ambassador, I actually don’t even play pcars. Yes it is that hard to believe that someone with knowledge of proper ffb enjoys playing forza with a wheel. I was ok with using my wheel in forza 5 for the first few months of it. Then another game was released and it finally made sense as to how a wheel was supposed to feel.
Wheel support has not been tailored by fanatec since forza 4 was the last time they helped. The wheel is the same for all manufacturers, with like above varying degrees of detail. Owned and have played with both fanatec and thrustmaster wheel.
Or maybe the collective bunch you play with arent that good? Everyone i know (many top forza players) wont even think of using a wheel on forza because its a waste of time.
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It’s a waste of time just because u won’t get better times than with controllers, plus for example i use the cockpit camera and you don’t have the pov of the scene like with chase cam and it makes even harder.
So basically we can exclude “top forza players” opinion about using or not a wheel.
The point is even with a bad ffb the level of immersion with a wheel is a lot higher expecially if you use the cockpit cam and in my opinion (since i don’t care at all to be a “top forza player”) it’s worthed the bad ffb and higher times than with controller (i have to admit i also own a playseat evolution alcantara).
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And I forgot… I can’t buy a super expensive Fanatec wheel every time a new console comes out.
Mine is sitting there because Sony and Microsoft removed the compatibility/support.
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I use my g920 and it’s not bad at all…
I completely agree, the level of immersion when using a wheel is what makes it much more fun. But wouldn’t you want it to have a feel similar to driving? This is why i am having a hard time understanding why people who own and prefer to use a wheel would want to play forza? Honestly, what is it that keeps you coming back? There is nothing about the racing game tailored to using a device that replicates racing. The FFB is awful which makes it very difficult to near impossible to compete at the highest level, fov is not adjustable, ffb is barely adjustable. Yet you have nearly $1000 in gear to increase immersion where by just switching to a different game the immersion quickly increases just because the feel is that much better and on top of that you become competitive because the other available games are a much more level playing field in terms of wheel vs pad. You are countering your argument and its confusing me.
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Wow, I’m really surprised you guys are debating this. It still is just a game.
I will certainly concede my comments to any Professional Drivers out there who may, in fact, know from experience. But I have owned 3 Corvettes in my life (so far), so yeah, I’ve probably been driving a lot longer than some of you; yet I certainly am not claiming to be any sort of Professional.
But when I take a tight turn at higher speeds in my Vette, I feel the resistance in the steering; the pulling that the steering wants to do to force it back in line, I have to hold that wheel to keep in where I want it. I’m feeling the same thing in Forza with the Wheel.
Now, in Forza, when someone hits me from behind and the car starts to spin; the wheel goes crazy. I admit, I’ve never done that in my car and I don’t intend to. Is what Forza is doing right or wrong? I, personally, have no idea. Are YOU a Professional Driver? Do YOU really know the answer?
Is another game better? I don’t know, I have Forza and that’s what I’m playing.
Wheel vs Controller: What I have learned so far is that braking is much quicker with the Controller than the Wheel/Pedals. With the Controller, switching from Gas to Brake is instantiations whereas (using the right foot only) there is an obvious delay with the pedals.
But with Steering, I have immediately seen a significate benefit with the Wheel over the Controller. On the high banks of Indy, with the Controller, I was always sporadic in the turns; never able to keep a clean line. With the Wheel, I can do those one handed and adequately draft at the same time.
I’m not saying one is better than the other, but for me, right now, I’m having a blast with the wheel.
BTW: Thanks for the 360 suggestion, I’ll give it a try.
Well, that’s just my opinion, I could be wrong…
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have you ever felt understeer in a real car? Does you wheel in the real car suddenly just go limp as if its no longer connected to your car? How about when you start a small drift? Does your wheel feel as though there is nothing it can do to fix the car? You should especially notice these things as you are in a performance car with stiff suspension unlike many honda civics etc. No one here has claimed to be a pro but to say it feels similar you obviously aren’t paying attention in the real car as to what you feel. And if we want to get technical most of the stuff you feel on a wheel you dont even feel at the steering wheel of a real car, but they have to portray the forces you feel in your butt to go to your hands because there is no way to emit g forces without a setup thats 10’s of thousands of dollars. But, to have intuitive ffb that sends a signal thats easily and universally understood as to what the car is doing or wants to do is what wheel users want/need to be successful.
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As much as I’d love to spend the next hour quoting posts I might just go back to enjoying forza with the wheel like darkwolf hahah
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Right on. Btw im not arguing to try and bash the game, or to try and ruin someone elses fun. I am adament about it because i would like to see it improved but its been 4+ years of the same terrible force feedback. If people don’t cry out about it t10 will continue to ignore that its an issue and forza will continue to remain stagnent and not improve on the wheel side of things. People complained and finally there is wheel support for “all major wheels” But this was after only having 2 or 3 available wheels for many years. If people continue to criticize their ffb they may actually do something about it. People raged on dirt rally for their ffb and within months they had completely rewritten it and had much better ffb. People have been complaining for 4+ years and theres still little to no changes to the ffb model.
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Now that I can completely agree with I remember the same thing with pcars when it first came out the updates constantly focused on community advice it was great even FH3 fixed their feedback after an insane amount of complains but the people who enjoy fm6 are reduced to having to try to avoid any form of under or oversteer or everything turns into a mess.
Come on Baby Cow anyone here want to play the game to have fun, the OP asked some advice for the setting of his new peripheric and you started a battle versus people who enjoy anyway playing the game with wheel even if ffb is wrong turning the thread in a complete off-topic with the problem the game have with force feedback.
Now while me and others are trying to help the OP you still try to drive the thread in your useless off-topic.
Useless like any other of your post in this thread because you are not trying to help the OP with settings, i feel also some envy from you because there is people who enjoy the game with wheel…
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Mate I play almost exclusively iracing, so until forza gets its stuff together and comes up with a proper system for racing and proper ffb i will not even think about picking it up. Im not envious at all, i play arguably the best sim ever made. I was giving the op the best advice i can give in terms of his question. “Any suggestions?” So I made a suggestion. Play a game that has proper ffb. If i really wanted to be unhelpful i would have told him to dump the xbox get a pc and join iracing. This is unfeasible for many as the cost of pc and sim gets very expensive. There are absolutely no settings which will make a wheel good with this game. There are settings which may make the cars a little easier to drive, but they dont fix the underlying problem, the only one who can fix that is t10 and they continue to ignore. So, as i said he asked for suggestions to make the wheel better, i provided them, try pcars, AC, or dirt.
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Wow, that is an extremely arrogant statement on your part. That’s like saying, “I’m not a Doctor, but I play one on TV, and the Surgeon is performing that operation all wrong.”
So then, you’re just trolling here? That explains it.
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Darkwolf, if it wasnt clearing an issue or broken you would have never posted for advice in the first place? It doesnt require a professional to say it doesn’t feel right. You admitted yourself you are not a professional but clearly noticed the issue and came here for advice.
Not trolling anything. Im highly experience and knowledgeable in forza. I genuinely care about the franchise and would like to see it make a turn back towards what it used to be. Also with my knowledge i can give plenty of advice in many aspects of the game. I’m not a painter, or a forztographer I dont touch those sections of the forums. If i were there bashing the game that would clearly be trolling. I have experience in almost all sims on the market with multiple wheels. I am a beta tester for fanatec. I have an understanding of ffb and can tell you forza is the only game doing ffb the way they do it.
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I never assumed it was broken, I assumed I had set it up wrong. Luckily the first response I got fixed the problem. Had I taken your advice; “put the wheel away and use a pad how forza was designed to play.”, I would have put a $300 piece of tech in the closet and forgot about it. Good thing I didn’t listen to you.
I’m sorry, but after the “put the wheel away…” comment, I’m having a hard time swallowing any of this. Perhaps if you really “genuinely care about the franchise”, you should revisit your approach to the way you assist others.
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I ran a fanatec CSR on the 360 with Forza 4 and now I’m running a G390 on 6 I can tell somewhat of a difference but nowhere near enough to even think about not using a wheel or bashing Forza, I think someone is more mad that the early wheels are not compatible with Xbox one. I don’t understand how somebody after using a wheel could ever go back to a controller cant wait for 7!
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